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The TSA is freakin' useless.

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    Posted: 28 December 2009 at 4:44am
These rules are absurd.

All they're doing is providing the loopholes for everyone who wants to do harm on an airliner. It's all reactionary BS that doesn't make us any safer. I mean, it's impossible to describe all the ways terrorists can still get around this crap and keep the forum within its bandwidth limitations.

I'm extra pissed because I'm obviously going to have to deal with this on two of my three flights when I come home. Not to mention, the assholes that want to blow up planes are probably more motivated and excited than ever to get their brainwashed minions on to these aircraft because of the new challenge it poses. It'll probably be easier than ever to get a bomb around security because of the tunnel vision security will be getting from trying to follow these rules.

On the plus side, can't wait to see the look on a security officer's face when he finds out I don't wear underwear during the pat down; though that'll probably make me more suspicious for some twisted reasons they'll try to come up with.
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More stuff here
Apparently, they might make it so you can't get out of your seat during the last hour of the flight or access your carry on luggage, or hold anything in your lap.

This is ridiculous. If this goes through, it's not going to make anyone safer, it's just going to inconvenience the innocent people. If someone is going to blow up a plane, they're going to regardless of whether or not they are allowed out of their seat.

People always say dumb stuff like "LOL WE CAN'T LET THIS TERRORISTS WIN". These policies are a reflection of the incompetence of the airline industry, and are an indication that we are indeed letting the terrorists "win".

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but, the system worked...
 
 
This is bush's fault. Obama has made the system much safer, by ignoring "terrorists" and calling them "man made disasters"...
 
We are all much safer and the system is so much better now than it was. We don't discriminate against people with muslim names that are on watch lists... That wouldn't be fair.
 
Instead we cause all the mothers with babies more trouble on planes since they could be wanting to cause man made disasters.
 
 
 
The moral is to remember that you are responsible for taking care of yourself as that is "the system working"...
 
what a joke.
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Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

 

 
We don't discriminate against people with muslim names that are on watch lists... That wouldn't be fair.
 



He wasn't on a No fly list..

God knows why you even mentioned Obama and Bush.
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Somebody doesn't have a clue how security works.





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" Disable aircraft-integrated passenger communications systems and services (phone, internet access services, live television programming, global positioning systems) prior to boarding and during all phases of flight."

Aren't these the things that airlines use to attract passengers?!
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Originally posted by Kayback Kayback wrote:

" Disable aircraft-integrated passenger communications systems and services (phone, internet access services, live television programming, global positioning systems) prior to boarding and during all phases of flight."

Aren't these the things that airlines use to attract passengers?!

Yes.

This new list of rules is completely stupid. At this rate, after a few more attempts at terrorism, we will all be flying naked as the day we were born.
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Wait no more TV?

God dammit. Now I'll need to buy a new Ipod for the next time I fly(or delete some music but screw that). That is why I flew Jetblue Cry


Edited by jmac3 - 28 December 2009 at 11:27am
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Absolutely retarded. As if the airlines needed ANOTHER kick in the nuts...
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Next they will get rid of the windows on airplanes so that you can't see where you are.

Or use sleeping gas on the passengers at the beginning of the flight and wake them up at the end.

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The bombing had absolutly nothing to do with a failure on TSA's part. It was a failure in Amsterdam, that bomb never even made it into the US before it blew up. It would have had to sneak past Customs, as well as TSA.

The same thing is going to happen with every other absurd rule that TSA makes. The officers are going to make their own interpretations of it, royally mess it up, and the whole thing will be taken back within a year. If air travel decreases, then the airlines will put pressure on TSA to change its rules.

TSA may be a government run agency, but most of its funding is taken directly from the airlines.


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Originally posted by Tolgak Tolgak wrote:

Somebody doesn't have a clue how security works.


I don't get it.
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Originally posted by Rofl_Mao Rofl_Mao wrote:

Originally posted by Tolgak Tolgak wrote:

Somebody doesn't have a clue how security works.


I don't get it.
The guy never passed through American security, as the plane wasn't from the U.S.

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Also, all these rules are for international flights, not for domestic flights.
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Originally posted by Rofl_Mao Rofl_Mao wrote:

Originally posted by Tolgak Tolgak wrote:

Somebody doesn't have a clue how security works.


I don't get it.


Those are all airlines that have regular flights to the US, often packed to the last seat with Muslims, piloted by Muslims, with security performed by Muslims in Muslim countries... and FE thinks profiling is the solution.

Also, what everyone else said.

EDIT: I'm aware Singapore is not a Muslim majority, but it still has quite a bit.


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you forgot Royal Jordanian
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How many Christians blew up planes in the past decade?
 
Oh yeah, None.
 
 
How many muslims?...
 
 
Hmm... That is weird, all of the terrorist acts were by muslim extremists.... It reminds me of tv today, we watch all these shows that profile the criminal. And they have a board with all the attributes that the terrorists have, then they build the profile... But, we can't do that as we have to be politically correct.
 
 
Yeah, its silly to think that profiling muslims would be logical.
 
Here is an idea. How about guys on a terror watch list... Lets really look at them before we let them on a plane... Especially when their father told the US that their son had become a jihadist.
 
 
 
Naa. That would be silly.
 
 


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Originally posted by The Guy The Guy wrote:

you forgot Royal Jordanian


I probably forgot a ton more. But yea, targeting people because they fit the characteristics of stereotypical Muslims is just going to divert eyes away from the terrorists, who likely will start changing names, shaving, and letting themselves go pale to avoid profiling. Even the video of the WTC bombers show people pretty well blended in.
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Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

How many Christians blew up planes in the past decade?
 Oh yeah, None.
How many muslims?...


The point isn't that Muslims aren't more likely to perform acts of terrorism. The point is that when you start profiling, you start ignoring the people that don't fit the stereotypes. With profiling institutionalized, a ton of people are guilty before being proven innocent, and the terrorists will find out what standards the profiling will happen by and dodge them with deception, disguise, and forgery.
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