Major God Flip-Flop (Kind of)

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=315976

He's probably saying that if he says he belives in god so that he will get into heaven.

Score 3,000,000,000 for the good guys!

boomstick wrote: He's probably saying that if he says he belives in god so that he will get into heaven.

thats not a bad reason to start believeing in God.

Clark Kent wrote: boomstick wrote: Clark Kent wrote: I do believe he specifically stated that he does NOT believe in an afterlife... And you believe him? Yep.

I see.

I still am still not religious, I wasn't brought up religious. I was brought up by my parents. They taught me to live my life the way I want too, not to live by a book.

As for Mr. Flew, I find it fascinating that he would change his view after such a long period of time.

Interesting. I sort of share his beliefs. I mean, the argument that things are too complex and too detailed for them to have sprung up by simply natural processes has a lot of appeal. However, I hate religion and I really don't believe in an afterlife. Religion is just a security blanket for stupid, frightened people and a way to control those people by tapping their most primal fear, death. It harnesses the power to releave this fear in exchange for obedience. The belief in an afterlife is much the same.


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   I also find it funny that the same people that will make speeches that last hours about freedom and rights will base thier lives around an old book and the "faith" that there is something better for you after you spend your life obeying that book.


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    Does anyone else find it funny that millions believe that there is this big magical man that lives in the sky and created everything who has set down rules for you? They also believe if you fallow his rules you are fine and you will go to a wonderful place forever after you die of whatever he sees fit but if you don't fallow his rules you are sent to a firey place and tortured for all eternity. But all of this is ok because he loves you.

boomstick wrote: Clark Kent wrote: boomstick wrote: Clark Kent wrote: I do believe he specifically stated that he does NOT believe in an afterlife... And you believe him? Yep. I see.

Some people don't take the bible as pure straight up truth, boomstick.

Honest.

It's his belief, let him go to it.

Good thing I am agnostic and get to play devil's advicate.

"I'm thinking of a God very different from the God of the Christian and far and away from the God of Islam, because both are depicted as omnipotent Oriental despots, cosmic Saddam Husseins," he said. "It could be a person in the sense of a being that has intelligence and a purpose, I suppose."

I think this is were I stand on the issue. Although, I still think it is a toss-up.

.Ryan wrote: Religion is just a security blanket for stupid, frightened people and a way to control those people by tapping their most primal fear, death. It harnesses the power to releave this fear in exchange for obedience. The belief in an afterlife is much the same. ps    I also find it funny that the same people that will make speeches that last hours about freedom and rights will base thier lives around an old book and the "faith" that there is something better for you after you spend your life obeying that book. pps     Does anyone else find it funny that millions believe that there is this big magical man that lives in the sky and created everything who has set down rules for you? They also believe if you fallow his rules you are fine and you will go to a wonderful place forever after you die of whatever he sees fit but if you don't fallow his rules you are sent to a firey place and tortured for all eternity. But all of this is ok because he loves you.

Wow. You're one of those people that REALLY needs to do some reading before criticizing a religion. This type of post just sickens me.

If you want to debate religion, fine. But don't go around spewing your opinions with nothing to back it up and being generally hostile towards other faiths. For example, I don't believe that Islam is correct, but you don't see me running around spouting that Islam is a perversion of Judaism and all Muslims are violent hate-filled warmongers, do you? That's because it's not true, although to some people it looks that way.

The control you refer to is not widespread. Most of that is rooted in the corrupted churches that performed such wonderful things as forcing people to pay money to have their sins forgiven. Stupid stuff, definitely not in the Bible.

It's not funny at all that millions upon millions believe in Jesus or whatever they believe in. In fact, I think it shows that there is some kind of truth to SOMETHING that these religions have been around as long as they have, without being thrown down and ignored the way most cults are.

I really don't want to be a jerk about this, but please shut your mouth. If you'd been through the things that I've been through, or the things my friends have been through, you would have ZERO problems believing in God.

Try to show some tolerance, k? If you want to know why I'm being such a jerk about this (I'm sorry, by the way), PM me. You'll get an interesting experience out of it.

For the rest of you, please don't comment on religious topics by bashing them unless you have some idea what you're talking about. Even though Clark Kent and I clash on topics a lot, you don't see him mucking the forums with total filth. He at least has some kind of thought behind his posts, even if I don't agree with it. And if you can't use him as an example, try Rambino. He was also very good about making sure his posts weren't total opinionated garbage.

Isn't that type of post considered intolerant/bigoted anyway? I know one person got in trouble for saying 'raghead', but somehow this doesn't qualify as being equally offensive? Double standard, anyone?

</overly zealous post by a very, very insulted and annoyed Christian>



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