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mod98commando
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Tippmann doesn't need to make MILSIM guns that are designed to look only like one gun. As others have said this would probably lead to them making less money rather than more because you lose the ability to customize the gun. Tippmann guns are usually turned into replicas anyway but if you want to make it into a speedball gun instead, you have that option. Because of that, tippmann guns appeal to more people. For example, if the A5 was an exact replica of the MP5K then you probably wouldn't be able to make it look like say an M16. Then you'd have to go to a 98c to get that look and then you lose the features of the A5. The A5 isn't like that though and you can make it look more like an MP5 or you can make it into a couple of other guns. That means that all the people who like the MP5 and want a milsim gun will like the A5 and same goes for fans of the M16 or AK47. If you sacrifice the ability to change the gun into whatever you want it to be then you will not sell as many. It makes more sense to sell a simple gun that can be modified into many things so that the user can shape the final product. I think MILSIM tippmanns come out very nice and they probably wouldn't cost much less if tippmann sold them like that anyway. Also, check out www.bentippmann.com for some less expensive versions of pro team upgrades. They sell nice MILSIM stuff for much less than proteam. I bought a sight rail/carry handle from them for my 98c, just as good as the pro team one but much cheaper. I'm not sure if they're part of Tippmann Pneumatics or if they're a seperate company but they sell good stuff for low prices. |
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BrigadierWolf
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While they wouldnt have to copy an existing weapon, I dont think it would hurt Sales for them to make a new magazine loading weapon like theyre old SMG 60 and 68. I mean, those things were Hot, Its a shame they dont make them anymore.
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TomMiller
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all of you who want electric crap speedball guns go buy a junky cocker and we can laugh when you drop it and it breaks :) |
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mod98commando
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Well that's something entirely different. I was only addressing the topic of making a MILSIM gun that is designed to look only like one gun. Making a good clip-fed gun would be a great idea for those interested in MILSIM but speedballers probably wouldn't like it if it didn't hold a lot of paint and/or feed very fast. It would be better if they could make a normal gun like the 98c or A5 and then come out with an upgrade that allows you to use magazines instead of a hopper. Then people can get the gun and not be forced to use a magazine if they don't want to. |
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BrigadierWolf
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The reverse would likely be easier. to creat a magazine fed weapon, and then make a Hopper modification. I mean, were really just talking symantics here, But creating a magazine feed system is harder to do, so The Hopper should probably be the afterthought rather then the magazine.
I still stand by my statement that the SMG68 was the hottest Gun that Tippmann has ever made. |
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evil_fingers
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Actually there is a magazine feed system....but theyre not jus on any type of paintball marker.
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BrigadierWolf
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well, a paintball is very different from a bullet. You have to design it in such a way that the paintballs dont just break from the force of the spring. So, Its not as easy as it sounds. Hoppers have no need for this cause they just load by gravity, But a Box magazine usually loads from the bottom or side, so you need something forcing the ammo into the chamber.
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mod98commando
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I agree that clip feeds are cool and I'd love to get my hands on an SMG but I don't know that it would be such a good idea to design a gun that relies on the clip-feed to attract customers. There are probably way more speedball players than hardcore woodsball/MILSIM players so the money is in the speedball market if you had to pick one. The guns they've been releasing tend to get most woodsballers and some speedballers so they get a nice mix and sell a lot of guns. If they go too far to one end then they lose the other, see what I mean? I guess they could do something like what ATS/Get Real Paintball did with their clip feed and just make a clip that accepts a hopper but I don't know how well that would work out. It would be good for right-handed shooters but lefties or people who use both hands wouldn't be too crazy about the hopper sticking out the side. I think it's possible for them to pull it off but a little too risky.
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evil_fingers
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In actuallity the magazine fed systems are only on certain types of markers and theyre marketed towards people who are involved in the military or law enforcement or anyone who can actually offered them...look at this as an example http://www.rustyspaintballgear.com/catalog/details.asp?ID_We p=14
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mod98commando
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The guns at rustys are modded, they don't make their own as far as I know. They all use spyders, tippmanns, or ATS/Get Real Paintball guns as a base and then add real gun parts. That's why they're so expensive. The ones with the clip feed use guns from here as the base and then have real gun parts to add realism. And yes, military/law enforcement is where these types of guns are used most often because it's more realistic and it helps them get used to the feel of a real gun. The problem is that there aren't enough people into MILSIM enough to spend that much money on these guns so not many companies offer them. They make most of their profit off of the military or police most likely.
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PaintBsniper
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Personally I like tippmann the way they are. If you want milsim go to armotech or whatever they are called nowadays. If you want speedball markers go out and get a timmy or a imp. |
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TiPP*MaNN
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since when is a tippmann ever meant to be or considered a speedball gun? |
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PaintBsniper
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Well if you add a couple upgrades here and their you could get you A-5 into a good enough state to compete with some speedball markers
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I dont care what you say there are snipers in paintball
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esolipsism
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True, it can be a speedball marker, but it's bolt is pretty heavy. Even custom bolts are heavy and causes a lot of recoil. Most MANLY speedballers could deal with it though, unlike those wimpy speedball punks ;)
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paintball duck
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o god please not another scenario gun
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tippya5-06
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tippmann needs a gun that can compete with the autococker or the dm4. Could he say tM4?
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tippya5-06
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is it wrong to have a highly upgrade speedball gun to play woodball? all's i would need is camo. speaking of is there any kind of camo that removable? like one day i could play speedball with my a5 and the slip on some camo and go play woodball
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PaintBsniper
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Get some camo tape that does not leave any residue. It takes about 10 min to put it on your first time but once you get used to it you can do it in about 5. Its also really easy to remove yet it will stay on while you are playing. |
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I dont care what you say there are snipers in paintball
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PaintBsniper
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i also say some nylon gun covers that you can put on 98 custom's forgot what the name is though
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I dont care what you say there are snipers in paintball
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jaked588
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man im tired of ppl saying tippmann needs to make a new gun. just make ur tippmann look like a new gun that u would want tippmann to make....lol... stop posting this
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