War Protesters

oldsoldier wrote: Many here spout thier talking points, Haliburton, no WMD's, civilian casuality rates, and those of us who spout ours, freeing a people, eliminating a despot, finding evidense of WMD's..... The exception is one group has a very defined objective, the "overthrow" or impeachment or whatever of our President, the other supports the president. ... on both sides ... The one side blames and defames ... one of thier anchors ... ...anti-bush ... thier ... pro Kerry.  ...your ...you ... your minds ... ...people like myself ... we ...

Here's a thought, OS:  There are more than two sides. There are more than two groups.  There are more than two opinions, more than two positions.  The world is not "us" and "them" or "for" and "against" or "D" and "R".  The world is not black and white.

 

Thought this would be a good place to ask so I can hear both sides opinions.

Anyone ever read this? http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/074325547X/102-8616276-1788 912?%5Fencoding=UTF8

I saw it , looked pretty good.

I wish I could have gotten someone to cover me. I'm glad you had a good time, I was there in spirit.

    Aw jeeze smitty, you're just too nice. heh...too bad I got there late, I would have liked to heard and seen more but ya know Ohio weather...lol....Anyway, that speech y'all let me read was pretty good. I just could help but think that I could do better though....lol...just kiddin. Later man.


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  Bango: that looks pretty good man. I'll have to add it to my ever growing list of stuff I wanna read....


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To all these people complaining about wars and such. I dont want to hear a darn thing come out of your mouth when there is a 747 in your backyard with a screaming muslim in the cockpit screaming his head off.

Why do you say that, Dibi?  You don't think you are making some assumptions about cause and effect?

A very good argument could be made that the war in Iraq (in particular) actually increased the chance of that 747.

Well us neighbors of "Cletus and Lulu Belle" here in the "red belt" of political ignorance, that our freind "Badsmitty" and those like him, lumps anyone who does not happen to agree with his and his affiliated political party's views just want to know where the Anti-War protest targeted at the Radical Fundimentalist Islamic Groups who have declared war on America, will be held on September 11th, 2005. We must show a "fair and balanced" approach to war, shouldn't we, or are we just in the Anti-War(Bush) mode.

I am told my logic is flawed, yet the retoric logic of certian individuals must not be questioned by us "red belters", for we are not as informed or educated as our more elite east and west coasters.

So from "Cletus and Lulu Belle" and all of us who dare to watch FoxNews (the one network among the many who dares sway from the "left approved" positions of the other major media outlets) we are alowed to question the motives of those who call us "ignorant bible thumpers" and other derogatory names, yet get offended when we hang the simple name of "liberal" on them.

So where and what time is the September 11th, 2005 anti-war protest? or is that not on the lefts agenda?

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OS brings up a good point. There won't be anybody protesting Radical Islam on September 11th. People protest against the United States because we might actually listen. People will be more horrified over a dozen Iraqis that have been sodomized with chem lights by americans than tens of thousands killed by the Hussien regime. The fact that others have done worse doesn't excuse US troops who have done such things to people, but we have to hold ourselves to higher standards. The whole world holds us to higher standards, even the people so quick to blame us for everything that goes wrong, wether it's for something we did or for something we didn't do. Sure, that kind of critisism sucks, but it at least helps to keep us honest. As long as the amount of oversight of our actions does't endanger our troops it's fine with me. If you've got someone stopped at a checkpoint and they make a quick grab for the backseat you should be worried about him detonating a car bomb or throwing a grenade and hurting you or your soldiers or Marines, not about the appropriate number of times to shoot him without catching flak for use of excessive force.

As for the people opposed to this war, I know the majority of you aren't anarchists and aren't spitting on troops at the airport, but there are people out there like that and they're the ones who will make the news, just like the few soldier standing over the naked arab pig piles. Before you complain about being generalized as a bunch of flag burning longhairs, remember not to generalize anyone who supports the war as some ignorant peice of white trash.

Also, for those of you opposed to the war, are you still protesting our reasons for invading or our continued occupation? Do you want immediate troop withdrawl? Better support for troops in the form of body armor and better armored vehicles? What is it you hope to persude the powers that be to do? Personally, I want the troops out of there as soon as Iraq is sufficiently on its feet to put down the insurgency, defend it's borders, enforce it's laws, track down terrorists, and is politically stable enough so it won't be taken over by another despot or become some radical islamist theocracy. I don't see any way we could pull out now and not have the entire country go right to hell and have to go back in a few years. I want this thing OVER. I dont want my kids to have to go fight WWIII when if the Arab states unify under radical Islam and fueled by their oil wealth to invade europe and get into an nuclear exchange with Isreal. Let's have a little foresight here. What are your proposed alternatives to continuing as we are doing? Please share.

As for you 14 year olds who sit around playing video games and munching twinkies all day who suggest things like nuking the whole middle east or just seem to blindly support this war, see how you feel when you're ready to graduate highschool. The people I know who were like that freshman year right after September 11th are more concerned with smoking pot, drinking beer, and getting into a community college than fighting Jihadists. When I try to persuade them into talking with my recruiter, they aren't afraid to tell me so. So when you're looking at graduating, think about reaching down between your legs, grab that string and give it a good strong tug, then enlisting. I doubt more than a handful of you will.

DBibeau855 wrote: rancidpnk13 wrote: DBibeau855 wrote: To all these people complaining about wars and such. I dont want to hear a darn thing come out of your mouth when there is a 747 in your backyard with a screaming muslim in the cockpit screaming his head off. not every terrorist is a muslim, in case you didn't know. I like how you use stereotypes to make the actual human beings seem fake to you, but that's how we justify killing other human beings. Boo hoo. Its called profiling. Other contries have been using it for decades, and it works. We dont because we dont want to offend anyones rights that might be a terrorist god forbid. But the cause doesnt matter, do you want something done about the 747? Or would you like them to try again?

So, you suport the idea of imprisoning everyone who "might" be a terrorist on the slim chance you might get one? Good job on supporting a turn towards a totalitarian state.

BARREL BREAK wrote: DBibeau855 wrote: rancidpnk13 wrote: DBibeau855 wrote: To all these people complaining about wars and such. I dont want to hear a darn thing come out of your mouth when there is a 747 in your backyard with a screaming muslim in the cockpit screaming his head off. not every terrorist is a muslim, in case you didn't know. I like how you use stereotypes to make the actual human beings seem fake to you, but that's how we justify killing other human beings. Boo hoo. Its called profiling. Other contries have been using it for decades, and it works. We dont because we dont want to offend anyones rights that might be a terrorist god forbid. But the cause doesnt matter, do you want something done about the 747? Or would you like them to try again? So, you suport the idea of imprisoning everyone who "might" be a terrorist on the slim chance you might get one? Good job on supporting a turn towards a totalitarian state.

Jerusalem has been doin it for years. And it works. And i dont support that. If someone comes to the US from Saudi Arabia and he is found in his home with all sorts of goodies in his basement primers, fuses, an AK or so. And his cousin was captured in an al queda training camp, i wont shed a tear if he never sees the light of day ever again.