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Frozen Balls
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Topic: Canada refuses asylum for US soldiersPosted: 25 March 2005 at 9:39am |
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So, what does everyone think of this? I have mixed feelings. On the
one hand, these soldiers signed up mostly to pay for an education, see
the world, and/or defend
America. On the other, they signed up knowing full well that they could
be called upon to engage in combat in foreign countries, to 'protect'
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Posted: 25 March 2005 at 9:42am |
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Well, we aren't really defending America. We are more on an offensive.
He DID sign up for the Army, right? So he has a commitment. |
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Posted: 25 March 2005 at 9:46am |
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Yes, that's the kicker. They signed up to defend America, not to go on
the offensive against every country who wants to grow without our help.
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Posted: 25 March 2005 at 9:48am |
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He signed..It is his responsability(sp?).
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Posted: 25 March 2005 at 9:48am |
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Don't split hairs; they signed up to obey the orders of their commander
and chief. Their service is not limited to defending the U.S.
from an invading army.
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Posted: 25 March 2005 at 9:58am |
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Time for a nice vacation in Mexico...
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Posted: 25 March 2005 at 10:02am |
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Exactly. I sincerely hope that they are extradited to the US, and get courtmartialed, because, at least in my opinion, they are simply saying that gross dereliction of duty, and even desertion is OK. This isn't Vietnam, they weren't forced to fight (although I believe that the draft dodgers during the Vietnam era didn't do the right thing either), they signed up, and when they did that, they said they would obey the orders handed down by their superiors, and would protect our country from invaders, both foreign and domestic. They said they were willing to go to war, and then when they found out that the government was actually trying to gain something from the war (who would thought, someone fighting a war to get something? no...), they decided it was time to run and hide. I understand the abuse allegation, but he would have had to been physically present and active in the abuse for him to be committing it, now wouldn't he? These guys joined up to get some cash, some education even, and they didn't think what it meant. To me, they're the worst kind of deserters-stupid ones. |
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Posted: 25 March 2005 at 10:03am |
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That’s right, the excuse of “I didn’t know I was going to war when I signed up.” Is a load of crap, everybody knows when they sign up that the Army is no Boy Scout troop, they fight and kill whenever they are expected to, and anyone who signs up knows that. So these guys are deserters and just that, and I am glad that |
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Posted: 25 March 2005 at 10:03am |
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the best defensive is a good offensive...
i think they should get the boot... all they needed to do was tell their CO they are ghay or bi and they would have had their papers in 3 days...now their going to jail and getting bad papers. "Time for a nice vacation in Mexico..." mexico signed something a few years ago allowing the US to go into mexico to get people running from US law or something... this would be one of those times... i could be wrong though Edited by merc |
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Posted: 25 March 2005 at 10:05am |
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I hope they get to Europe or Mexico or somthing.
Run and be free, stay out of jail just for your opinion. |
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Posted: 25 March 2005 at 10:06am |
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People like them disgust me.
You have a contract with the US Government. You didn't fulfill it; you go to jail. End of story. |
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Posted: 25 March 2005 at 10:09am |
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It's not a matter of their opinion. They can disagree with the war, but they still have an obligation by law to fulfill their duties and obey commands. They knew that when they signed up, and they signed a contract. Too bad they don't like it, but they have to be responsible. |
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Posted: 25 March 2005 at 11:01am |
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Sure smells like desertion to me, or at least AWOL.
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Posted: 25 March 2005 at 11:08am |
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They took an oath, to obey the comander and cheife. You cant go into the military and pick and choose what you want to do. Its a bloody order, you dont agree with it? Tough titties, do the job, then take it up with your superiors. They are a soldiers, "Tis not the soldiers' to sit and reason why, but tis to do and die." They signed a contract and are expected to do you job. They signed up, they joined, they were trained in weapons, what did you think you were going to do? Bake brownies all day? This is the most selfish act a can think of, deserting your country. They join the military for an education, basicaly looking for an easy ride and something nice to put on a resume, but when they actualy have to get their hands dirty, they back out of a writen contract, and fail to uphold a solemn oath they took.
If you cant tell, im kinda mad people desert. If you dodged the draft during vietnam, thats a different story. But deserting after you volunteered. Thats inexusable. |
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Posted: 25 March 2005 at 11:16am |
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I swear, you brainwashed kids sound just like Nazis....just because the government tells you to do something doesn't mean you do it....Jeeze....you guys are lemmings! So, say you signed up for the Marines....you wanted to defend out country. To defend our country, we decide to invade Somalia. You disagree, but go anyway, since it's your duty. Your orders are to torch a village, but you don't want to do it because that's a bad thing....but you've got orders! What do you do? Be an actual compassionate human being and tell your superiors to go kick rocks, or a soulless robot who follows every command given to him? Personally, I'm a human being with free will, and I don't care what I sgined up for, I have morals and values and no hard-on war-monger is gonna change them. I mean seriously, the perfect anology would be if you were a new COP on the force. The first guy you pull over, one of your superiors says to beat him down. By your logic, you "just follow orders" and do the WRONG thing! |
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Posted: 25 March 2005 at 11:18am |
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Draft dodging is a completely different thing. I still hate it because i would join if drafted.
People like this guy should be out in jail for deserting. You don't just serve in the army for three years and then when they actually need you to fight you just run to Canada. |
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Posted: 25 March 2005 at 11:30am |
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Zesty, i think the correct thing to do would be follow orders, you trust your life with the people in the feild with you. Your superiors are your superiors for a reason, they have battle time. Follow orders. Its a war, not a traffic stop.
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Posted: 25 March 2005 at 11:48am |
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^ I guess we just disagree then.
Because to me, if someone asks you to do something you are morally opposed to, you tell them to go shove it. You don't degrade yourself and your values by stooping to someone else's (low)level of values....you stick up for what you believe in. I don't know if you guys are just really disciplined, just really like taking orders, or just have no morals and values, but I totally disagree with "just following orders." I mean Hitler was a superioir to his soldiers, and he told them to throw Jews in ovens! How many lives could have been saved if those soldiers had stood up for what was right and not just followed the orders of their superiors?! Millions! How do you know that these soldiers who are fleeing to Canada are not doing something valiant? |
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Posted: 25 March 2005 at 11:50am |
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zesty do you know anything about the millatary? when you sign up you are no longer a free person you no longer make decissions. you listin and follow orders...
and being a law enforcement officer is MUCH different than being in the millatary. |
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Posted: 25 March 2005 at 11:55am |
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Well Zesty i come from a military family. If i were to serve it goes without saying, if my CO told me to line up a bunch of civilians and kill them, i wouldnt do it, ide probably get sick on the spot. But, if i was told to burn a village, i would, think the village is being burned for a reason.
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