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Originally posted by Lightningbolt Lightningbolt wrote:

Criminals don't follow laws.

Gah! 

Enough with the slogans!!  This is a horrible "argument", and always has been!

By this theory, we shouldn't bother with laws against murder, since murderers won't obey them anyway.

By this theory, we shouldn't bother with any laws at all, because some people won't obey them.  Dumb dumb dumb dumb.

Besides, beyond being dumb, this "argument" is obviously false, and completely irrelevant to boot, since many gun control laws work indirectly anyway.
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Originally posted by rancidpnk13 rancidpnk13 wrote:

Originally posted by WGP guy WGP guy wrote:


Well, in Wilmington while getting food, me and my dad saw what we
seemed a kidnapping.  We say this black male (about age 35-45)
kicking and shoving a black female (age 15-20) into an SUV at a gas
station.  Had my dad bothered to bring one of his Colt 1911 .38 beretta, he would
have probably gone and checked it out.


so wait, because you didn't have a gun, you didn't do anything?


Why would you enter a potentially hostile situation without being sure you would be able to help?  Thats putting 2 more lives on the line.  The people around didn't seem to take notice, so I assumed it was a boyfriend.  This guy looked about 40, but we were at least 200 feet away.
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Originally posted by SeaWolf SeaWolf wrote:

Originally posted by Glassjaw Glassjaw wrote:


I personally believe in control to an extent. More so with the
paperwork aspect rather than completely making them or particular ones illegal.


If I needed a gun ASAP... I'd be SOL with the waiting period. If a criminal needed a gun ASAP... he'd have no trouble at all.

That's where the error lies...

No matter how hard they make it to buy a gun, criminals will still be able to get them. And even if they couldn't, wouldn't they just resort to knives? Last I checked, there are other things that can kill people.

I also like to ponder this one:

If a gun is used in a crime, liberals think that shooting should be outlawed.

If a baseball bat is used in a crime, why not outlaw baseball?


Why in the world would you need a gun ASAP?  Assuming you are an honost citizen, what would you need a gun this instant for?
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Originally posted by Glassjaw Glassjaw wrote:


I personally believe in control to an extent. More so with the
paperwork aspect rather than completely making them or particular ones illegal.


If I needed a gun ASAP... I'd be SOL with the waiting period. If a criminal needed a gun ASAP... he'd have no trouble at all.

That's where the error lies...

No matter how hard they make it to buy a gun, criminals will still be able to get them. And even if they couldn't, wouldn't they just resort to knives? Last I checked, there are other things that can kill people.

I also like to ponder this one:

If a gun is used in a crime, liberals think that shooting should be outlawed.

If a baseball bat is used in a crime, why not outlaw baseball?
   
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Criminals don't follow laws. So who will be disarmed with the addition of more laws?  Honest people that register their guns with law enforcement.  If some of you don't want to be able to protect your families from an intruder that's your choice. 

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i like my point better
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Originally posted by Lightningbolt Lightningbolt wrote:

you totally missed my point.  Hold the gun steady, shoot the intended target.


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you totally missed my point.  Hold the gun steady, shoot the intended target.
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Originally posted by Lightningbolt Lightningbolt wrote:

Gun control=Decent sight picture and a steady hand..................


To what level?  Completely out lawing them or to a point?

As said a few times, "control" is a broad term in this particular subject.

I personally believe in control to an extent.  More so with the paperwork aspect rather than completely making them or particular ones illegal. 


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Originally posted by Lightningbolt Lightningbolt wrote:

Gun control=Decent sight picture and a steady hand..................
 

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^^^^^^   Old...

Time for some new slogans.
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Gun control=Decent sight picture and a steady hand..................
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Shoulda saved money on the gun, and bought a cell phone instead...
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Originally posted by WGP guy WGP guy wrote:


Well, in Wilmington while getting food, me and my dad saw what we
seemed a kidnapping.  We say this black male (about age 35-45)
kicking and shoving a black female (age 15-20) into an SUV at a gas
station.  Had my dad bothered to bring one of his Colt 1911 .38 beretta, he would
have probably gone and checked it out.


so wait, because you didn't have a gun, you didn't do anything?
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Originally posted by Darur Darur wrote:


By the same token, WITH gun control it is potentially possible to entirely outlaw guns so you have a police force running around with bows and arrows.  I mean c'mon, its politicians deciding these things, do you REALLY expect them to use common sense?

Yes.

It's fun to make jokes, but most of the time the government acts fairly rationally, or at least in tune with public sentiment.  Most people agree with most of the criminal laws.  Most people agree with most traffic laws.  Fundamentally, most people agree with most things that the government (at any level) does.  We just make a really big fuss about a few things.

Sure, it's "possible" to outlaw all guns.  It's just not realistically likely.

But - my point was simply that people who are simply "against gun control" are idiots.  Everybody favors some degree of gun control.  All we are debating is how much, and what kind.
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Originally posted by Darur Darur wrote:


Remember why the colonists came here in the first place?  To sum it up, Their government sucked. 

Weeeeell....  that may be true for some colonists, but most folks that came over did so because they were looking for work, food, or a better life.  Nothing like a really long drought to make you want to take a boat ride.

Then, of course, there are the millions of colonists that came here in shackles.  I know which government they thought sucked the most.



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Originally posted by Clark Kent Clark Kent wrote:

Originally posted by 5ptcontingency 5ptcontingency wrote:

The term "gun control" is too broad.

If we truly had NO gun control, then a retarded 7-year-old felon would be able to walk into the local 7-11 and buy an RPG, and carry it around with him, pointing it wherever he pleases.  Anybody who doesn't think that should be legal is not truly "against" gun control.



By the same token, WITH gun control it is potentially possible to entirely outlaw guns so you have a police force running around with bows and arrows.  I mean c'mon, its politicians deciding these things, do you REALLY expect them to use common sense?
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Originally posted by 636andy636 636andy636 wrote:

right to bear arms.


bear arms are delicious!

in canada we have some strickt firearm laws. wich obviously worked when thos police officers were killed in Edmonton.


crimnals will ALWAYS get guns no mater what.

yeah. law abiding people wont kill somone? yeah right. people change. they could be intoxicated and shoot somone with there firearms. or they can be shooting in a safe invorment like a range and they can still kill somone. ricochets are deadly

people are WAY parinoied if they carry a firearm with you around town and stuff. how offen do you fell the need to use deadly force.

and seriously. does anyone need a assalt rifle?


Well, in Wilmington while getting food, me and my dad saw what we seemed a kidnapping.  We say this black male (about age 35-45) kicking and shoving a black female (age 15-20) into an SUV at a gas station.  Had my dad bothered to bring one of his Colt 1911 .38 beretta, he would have probably gone and checked it out.


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Originally posted by Gatyr Gatyr wrote:

Originally posted by Bunkered Bunkered wrote:



I just read a great piece that debunks just about every major argument you anti-gun folk spout out...
It's called the United States Constitution. For those of us who believe in our rights, it is a great read.

Chewp bring up a good point. Its in our constitution, so its one of our rights, right? right. But does anyone remember the simpsons episode where Homer gets a gun? Lisa says something to him about gun control, and homer says one of the most correct things he may have ever said, or ever will say.

He sais that we have the right to bear arms in case the king of england comes in and begins pushing us around. I didnt realize it at the time, but he is correct. The reason we have the right to bear arms is because when the constitution was being written, we were trying to gain our independence...and the fathers of this country wanted us to be able to protect ourselves if the brittish showed up at our doorstep. They meant nothing of having guns for fun or because they looked cool.

Hence, there should be a restraint put on some weapons.

And chewp, im not calling you out or anything, but there has been alot of using the constitution as a protection for rights that wasnt meant for us to have by the writers of the document...such as free speech, right to bear arms...etc.



Thats part of it, but not all.

Remember why the colonists came here in the first place?  To sum it up, Their government sucked.  The constitution is based upon the Greek and Roman Governments (Direct and Representitive respectivley) and the writtings of several people.  A French writter (name forgotten) came up with the style of government we have (Legislative, Executive, Judicial) to prevent abuse of powers.  In his writtings he says (not perfect quote) "The Government's job is to protect the intrests of its people.  When it no longer does this, the people should no longer follow the Government".  I know I slaughtered that quote but you get the idea.  It was partly there in case the government turned into Britian again, allowing the people's militias to revolt.

I will partitally agree with Clark in that no one is completley against gun control.  I will admit that I dont like the idea of guns capible of fireing rounds that pass through bullet proof vests being on the street, but I do not like the idea of these guns being outlawed entirely.  Gun registration, testing, licences etc. Thats where gun control should be focused in my opinion.

Lincoln once said "If you Outlaw guns, only Outlaws will have guns". 
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