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Roll Tide
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The fact that the North was disturbingly brutal during the invasion of the South is usually left out. |
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entropy
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Does that somehow make the facts less true? |
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Clark Kent
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I actually agree with points I AND II both. I agree that with the legal obstacles out of the way, that eventually things will even out again, and that the formerly oppressed should work hard towards that goal. BUT - the direct effects of formerly legalized racism linger, and have left a very serious mark on the young generations of today. You can't just declare racism gone with an act of Congress. It will take generations for it to go away (if ever - witness anti-Semitism after all these years). So to say we "fixed" racism in 1964 is too simplistic, just like it is too simplistic to say that "oe noez, t3h Man is keeping me down". Both are too extreme, and both are incorrect. First (IMO), we need to acknowledge the following points: 1. The effects of legal racism remain. 2. There remains actual racism today, both intentional and unintentional. 3. Both of those truths place an unfair disadvantage on black Americans, entirely due to their race. 4. Our ultimate goal is a meritocracy (to a large extent, anyway) regardless of race. Only when we recognize those truths can we decide the best way to address the situation. Affirmative action is one possible solution, but there are certainly others, and AA obviously has its drawbacks. Simply ignoring the issue and letting time solve it is also a possible solution, although we would have to sacrifice several generations of American blacks in the process. Presumably there are other solutions that I can't think of at the moment. |
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Clark Kent
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And nobody doubts that. But, as I said before, the issue isn't the cream. John Johnson was bound to succeed, whatever his circumstances. But most people aren't John Johnson. Most people are fairly motivated, fairly intelligent, fairly studious, and think Algebra II is very difficult. What about those guys? Should they also get the same shake, regardless of race? |
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Clark Kent
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Welfare is a fiendishly difficult issue. The principal "welfare" in the country is AFDC - Aid for Families with Dependant Children. It gives money to mothers/parents with minor children, so that the children don't starve. Unemployment isn't as big of an issue (but certainly not a small issue), because of the qualification procedure (you must have had a job to begin with that you lost). AFDC gives you $$ and foodstamps. More children = more money. If the custodial parent(s) has a job, then that is offset against the welfare. So it encourages mothers to have lots of kids and to NOT marry - if they marry a guy with a job, then the husband's money reduces the welfare. It also makes it very difficult for the single mother to work. When she gets a job, she now needs daycare for the children, and her welfare has been reduced because of her job. AFDC can also provide some daycare benefits, but there is a large spot in the middle (where most poor uneducated mothers are) where it essentially would be really stupid of them to get a job. So the system self-perpetuates.
Yes and no - matter of definition. The defense budget is the largest of the "discretionary" budget. But Social Security and Medicare are by far the largest item of the non-discretionary budget. AFDC is partially state and partially federal money. The real question is whether SS, Medicare, AFDC, etc. ADDS to the economy or DETRACTS from the economy. |
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Jim Paint
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Off topic-
Foodstamps really irk me. We cant afford to buy top brands of all food, so we get some store brands, or dont get teh expensive pointless food. (drinkable yogurt for a dollar a container, or the toaster strudles that are 6 for $3.) So my point is food stamps people get the luxury of food that I cant have. |
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Jim Paint
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We learned about it. Grant didn't like burning all the farms and such, but if he didn't the money would fund the south. And if the south IS all about just being independent, why did Lee take the offensive and march north? He may have been able to just defend the south, instead of trying to conquer the north. |
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Jim Paint
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Whale- you have yet to tell me why Im racist against blacks for not liking the Gangsters and thugs.
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Roll Tide
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It wasn't Grant as much as Sherman. Sherman burned everything. And it's a strategy, Hit them before they hit you. I'm not saying it's right, but that's what they did. Edited by Roll Tide |
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Jim Paint
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Yea, Shermans the one that marched, and I remember the total was strategy. It was pretty violent. |
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Hades
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Jim, It is racist/prejuduce because your defining the people with whom you label gangsta' or thug off their appearance without ever having gotten to know them personally or seen their actions. I am guessing you havent seen too much gang activity ever in your lifetime. Therefore to judge someone by their apperence alone is prejudious. Then to catagorize the people you deem gangsta into one big group and give it a negative label is racist.
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entropy
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hades, humans judge each other. Looks are the deciding factor in many
cases. First impressions mean a lot. To me, someone dressing that way
is dressing like trash. I feel like I should dislike them. If I then
get to know the person, my opinion may change, but to say I ought not
judge someone based on how they dress is simply not possible.
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Jim Paint
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I think gothic kids dress weird too, and I don't hate all whites. |
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Hades
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I am not saying judging someone is wrong or following your first impression is wrong. I am saying judging someone of their appereance, then negatively labeling them because of of it, and then making a negative group label for that group solely for their apperence/background/ social wealth/ any category is racist.
Glad to know that if you ever met me, 99 percent of the time you will dislike me. ^^^ Exactly, so what is the difference, Jim? Why is it that you dislike gangsters than? Edited by Hades |
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Jim Paint
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I think you misunderstood that.
I know I'm probaly wrong about most. I am friends with a gothic kid, but hes not into it like most of them. And I dont like most of them, for the fact that many sneer at me when I have never even seen them. The same as when I go downtown, I get dirty looks walking to reds games from "gangstas and thugs". Edited by Jim Paint |
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Hades
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What us the reason you dislike gangsters?
Out of curiosity have you ever met a person with which you would label gangser? |
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Snake6
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Lee did not make the diescion to attack north, that was Davis. The march north is what screwed the CSA over, the idea behind it was to demoralize the population of the north and turn public opinion against the war. It didnt work. |
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Jim Paint
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I have never stopped to talk with any, because of the looks I get just walking from my car to a reds game. I've been offered crack though, but that wasnt the typical "gangsta or thug". |
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Jim Paint
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Ah, I always thought Lee would have known better. |
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Snake6
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Yeah Davis was stupid for that one...
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