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    Posted: 22 October 2005 at 10:16pm

I'm looking to make my Tippman Custom Pro as accurate as I can. I've been reading posts all over that give mixed opinions about barrel lengths. So I'm asking straight out. Here's what I have so far:

  • Custom Pro w/Response
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  • 14" 32* Night Stick

I was planning on gettting a Low Pressure kit and a regulator for it because you have to have consitancy to be accurate. I'm not looking for accurate at like 50ft. I'm want to do everything I can to put my paint in as small a cluster at 150ft. Sure barrel length stops noticibly affecting accuracy in speed ball at 50ft. but what about at 150ft.? Is there still no difference? Or do the 21" barrels just sell for the show? And what else could I do to quiet this thing down and lessen recoil? Just trying to get my gun how I'd like it. :D Thanks!

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uhh...just my personal opinion, don't get anything longer than a 14in. barrel (i guess maybe a 16)every barrel's "effective part of the barrel" is different, but most barrels' effective range is about the first 12-14in of the barrel, the rest is pretty much just a co2 consumer
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   21" barrels are just for show. Anything over 14" is just a waste. If you're looking for the best possible accuracy, then getting a kit would be a smart idea. Accuracy largely depends on paint to barrel match (bore sizes), so the kit will allow you to match them perfectly. If you're looking for an in-expensive kit, then I'd look at the J&J kit (exact name skips my mind at the moment). If you got the $ to spend I'd look at the Freak, Pipe, or Switch kits. All will be upwards of $150, where as I believe the J&J is only $80 or so.

   As for less recoil and less noise; no matter what you do to your CP, you're still going to have both of these. But the LPK will help, and you could also get a Rocket Cock 2 to help with noise levels.

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Go with a 12 inch Freak kit, with the Stainless Steel bore inserts, they're absolutely awesome with accuracy. (Make sure your paintballs match your bore size) With the Teardrop front, this is an extremely quiet barrel, and is light weight and has killer looks too.
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If you want accuracy at 150ft you'll need to either get a flatline or the apex barrel paired up with a nice regulator like a Palmers Stabilizer, along with anything else that will keep your shots consistent with the next.
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another good question... what the heck is with the bore sizes? I can size on neither paint or barrels. I thought everything was .68? If not how can I know what barrel fits which paint? Test firing? Which regulator would be good? Here on the tippmann site, the LPK drops the pressure to 300-400 but the regulator runs at 600 psi? which is it? does the LPK come with a regulator?

Oh I heard that the flatline barrels keep the ball flat-line trajectory but aren't really accurate. And are REALLY paint picky. Again true?

Thanks again for the help.



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Look here http://www.ottersccustoms.com/paintc.html, and here http://www.ottersccustoms.com/barrelc.html. When they say .68, they just give you a basic size of the product. But to get max accuracy, you need to fit the barrel and ball to the closest thousandth of an inch.

Edit: And yes, that's true about the Flatty. They'll give you great range, but not the best accuracy. And they're also pretty picky on paint.



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^^^The paint can range in size from .681-.695, and it will affect perfomance in a huge way. Trust me, always make sure the paint fits in the barrel.
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you're starving that r/t if you don't have a r/t...

i agree with the freak kit, its expensive, but its worth it.

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Xball bronze works really well  in the flatline. 


But yeah,  great distance,  no good accuracy. 
Up close the flatline has really GOOD accuracy but it really loses it on a distance.   Another thing about the flatline is that  if your air  is not perfectly consistent,  the balls will tend to float up or drop down ALOT.
So yeah,  the flatline is only good for distance I guess.

I had good experience  with the  PMI razzor pursuit.  It was on an old brass eagle (my first gun)  and it was 12 inches,  most accurate barrel I've ever shot.
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I reccomend a lapco barrel or a kit, maybe the lapco kit.
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What are good regulators? Can you get a regulator that works well and gives you a tight psi output for cheap? How good is the PMI pure energy? I think I have barrels covered, what about the rest of the gun? :) Thanks guys! (And possible girls...)

 

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Ok back to barrels for a sec. I'm looking at a bunch of the barrels and because none but smart parts, evil, and empire give actual bore sizes it's kinda hard to pick out indiviual barrels to make sure you have a barrel for most paint sizes. But the barrel insert kit while a great idea seems like it wouldn't work as well as a 1 piece barrel the same bore. All the kits give you like 6" back with inserts then what ever length fronts. But the fronts are machined at the largest bore size. (Obviously cause otherwise when using .697 paint you ball would have to squeeze through the front) But anyways that mean that only the first 6" acutally fits your paint the rest of the barrel leave the ball free to bounce how it wills. So wouldn't it be better to have say 3-4 barrels of different bore sizes than to have a freak set?
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Only the first 8" of the barrel matters anyway. A paintball will gain
maxiumum velocity within the first 8" of the barrel and anything beyond that
is just for venting excess gas and reducing report.

As far as regulators go, as in life, you get what you pay for. A good
regulator will have very little fluctiation between shots and will be very
consistent. PMI is cheap, therefore the performance follows suit.

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For a Regulator, I'd suggest a Palmer's Stabalizer. I think it costs about $100. Another good reg is the Custom Products reg, but I don't know if it would work.

Now for the barrel. As FyreFly stated, only the first part of ANY barrel matters (1 piece or 2 piece) Going with a Freak Kit is a lot better than carrying around all those barrels. Instead of having 8 barrels in your gear bag, you have a Front, and Back, and 8 small pieces of metal. Remember, get the Stainless Insert. I have aluminum and it works ok, but I'm saving up for stainless.

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if u want accuracy and range go with a flatline, i have an a-5 with it but it works awesome, accurate as anything and shoots very far.  i either have to use marbalizzers, diablo nightmares, or at the least team colors for the flatline to be good.  crappy paint will not work.

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Originally posted by PatriotBob PatriotBob wrote:

What are good regulators? Can you get a regulator that works well and gives you a tight psi output for cheap? How good is the PMI pure energy? I think I have barrels covered, what about the rest of the gun? :) Thanks guys! (And possible girls...)

Just as FF stated, you get what you pay for. I'd go with a Palmers Stabalizer. The Male runs about $80 in black, but will give you great consistency with both Co2 and HPA.

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Originally posted by PatriotBob PatriotBob wrote:

 

Oh I heard that the flatline barrels keep the ball flat-line trajectory but aren't really accurate. And are REALLY paint picky. Again true?

Thanks again for the help.

Yeah the Flatty is pretty picky, my friend has one and won't shoot to good unless it has good paint. If you want range and something not to picky, go with the Apex. I hear it ain't to picky. 

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Well I don't think I can offer any more information then what is already given. For those that said anything over 14" is not what your looking for and the lpk will help with less recoil and porting will help with noise I second them. I personally don't know all the different theories about porting but I don't really like it that much. I would rather deal with a loud gun the have the whole porting theory thing constantly on the back of my mind, which it would deffinatly be there with me since I want to know absolutly everything about my gun. Another thing that may help with noise is getting a rocket cock or rear cock or something like that. That big gapping hole in the side of the marker lets out quite a bit of noise.
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