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Originally posted by Ejp414 Ejp414 wrote:

Abortion sucks.


Quite literally! And they tickle.


Okay, maybe I look at all of this issue in a really simplified way. But then again I live by KISS. Both the acronym and the music.

Here's how I look at it. Is it your life? No? Then don't force your beliefs onto people.

Oh you don't believe people should be having abortions? Think it's wrong? Okay then... don't have one. And go on with your own life and butt out of others'. Done and done.


We have too many people in this world as it is, the # of zygotes aborted isn't going to dent these numbers. We're climbing by, worldwide, another 1 billion faces every 10-12 years. Abortions are the last thing I need to worry about. I'm worred more about the exact opposite.
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Originally posted by Ejp414 Ejp414 wrote:

Abortion sucks. Just look up Boyle's Law if you don't believe me.

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ok its called the Mexico City rule all it does is not give federal money to places that proform abortion. so they dont give money to places to planned parenthood because they proform abortions, but it alows them to still give money to planned parenthood money for AIDs. Bush increased spending on the AIDs problem which means they gave more money to places like planned parenthood.  
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Originally posted by amishman89 amishman89 wrote:

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Fair enough...   :)

 
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Originally posted by Clark Kent Clark Kent wrote:

Originally posted by amishman89 amishman89 wrote:

  Do know how dagerous abortion is? You probably have the same risk as having the baby its self.

Do you have any numbers to back up that random claim?

    

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Abortion sucks. Just look up Boyle's Law if you don't believe me.
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Originally posted by ANARCHY_SCOUT ANARCHY_SCOUT wrote:

Originally posted by cadet_sergeant cadet_sergeant wrote:

Originally posted by impulse! impulse! wrote:

What if the birth threatens the life of the mother?
it doesnt matter its all about the lady makin the choice, if she'd rather die then get an abortion thats her choice if she'd rather get an abortion and try again thats her choice.

isnt there some kinda law or something that Bush Sr. started, then Clinton vetoed it, then Bush Jr. brought it back? it was something like "the new mexico [something]"



God we dont need a new mexico whats wrong with the one that we already have thats full of presidential problems
no it has something to do with abortion i thought i could be wrong i read about it in a book... im gonna try to look it up now that im home.
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Originally posted by amishman89 amishman89 wrote:

  Do know how dagerous abortion is? You probably have the same risk as having the baby its self.

Do you have any numbers to back up that random claim?
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  Do know how dagerous abortion is? You probably have the same risk as having the baby its self. Scaring , infection, and potential death. Does any body knows the methods of abortion? I personally have seen after photos of the babies. They are torn apart limb by limb. They look as if they have 3rd degrees burns all over them. Its horrible. I say if raped and proven raped get the morning after pill. But many raped victims are afraid  and embarrised to come forward. So what do you do. Me morally, I say abortion is wrong. But there are extreme situations where I'd dont know what to do.  I have not put my self in this situation...why?? Because Im one of the few 16 year olds in this world who believe in saving sex for marriage. That idea needs to spread throughtout schools but ,...no protective parents dont want there children to hear this they want to tell them there children themselves. Strange as it must seem the children know more than the adults. And sometimes the adults dont know the facts about the risk.       Knowledge is power....but to have power some one must teach it
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Originally posted by cadet_sergeant cadet_sergeant wrote:

Originally posted by impulse! impulse! wrote:

What if the birth threatens the life of the mother?
it doesnt matter its all about the lady makin the choice, if she'd rather die then get an abortion thats her choice if she'd rather get an abortion and try again thats her choice.

isnt there some kinda law or something that Bush Sr. started, then Clinton vetoed it, then Bush Jr. brought it back? it was something like "the new mexico [something]"



God we dont need a new mexico whats wrong with the one that we already have thats full of presidential problems
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Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

EVery action gets an equal and oppisite reaction. Newtons Law.

Meaningless in this context.


Quote I put my opinion in, stating all possible contingencies

Contingencies?  You said you would never ever change your opinion...
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EVery action gets an equal and oppisite reaction. Newtons Law.


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Now this is why I intended to stay out of this for the last 12 pages.

I put my opinion in, stating all possible contingencies, and yet I still get dragged in further. Just to defend my OPINION.

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"Slap on the wrist" is a punishment concept...  You specifically implied that there needed to be "more" consequence.  That's punishment.
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Clark, I never said punishment, I said consenquences. There IS a difference.

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Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

Clark, this 'accepting the consenquences' is as bad as getting a slap on the wrist if you steal something. Except instead of more physical, its more mental.

Again with the punishment approach.  Why does there have to be punishment?  Is having a child "punishment" for sinful behavior?  That seems a rather inhumane approach to childrearing.
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Clark, this 'accepting the consenquences' is as bad as getting a slap on the wrist if you steal something. Except instead of more physical, its more mental.

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And somebody please explain to me how having an abortion is not accepting the consequences...  It's an affirmative decision, followed by an affirmative action.  Sounds a lot like accepting the consequences.  Perhaps more so than just waiting around for the baby to show up.
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Originally posted by oreomann33 oreomann33 wrote:


It's every womans right to have or not to have a child and thats her decision, not the goverments.
Ok, explain to me the diff. between her decision to having/not having a baby and committing/not committing suicide? Both keep/take a life out of the world.

I never said I was 100% pro-choice. I put in the occasions that there should be abortion, but beyond that i disagree.


Zesty-17- Yes, there is the possibility that in general, my ideas will change over time, but not this.


Cadet- 'we' may have established that, but my opinion stands. If you think you're old enough for sex, then you should be old enough for the consenquences.

Saying thats wrong is like saying a kid is ready to drive but shouldn't have to abide by the consenquences if he runs someone over and kills them.

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Originally posted by djrock djrock wrote:

It would just be a way to see the correct how many people support pro-life. It wouldn't be a poll to see which is right, just to see some numbers.

We are on a forum of:

  • A company that makes paintball firearms, so the users of said products are more inclined to slide to the right anyway
  • The average age of a forumer is around 14-15, I would guess, so the world knowledge of most of them is what their parents or preacher tell them is "right"

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