Abortion/ Goverment power debate.

djrock wrote: It would just be a way to see the correct how many people support pro-life. It wouldn't be a poll to see which is right, just to see some numbers.

That's what I meant - internet polls are not a meaningful measure of opinions.

djrock wrote:  I could post some 500 reason to support my side

Please, post some of these reasons.

oreomann33 wrote: So it's some sort of punishment for doing a natural thing?

That's the word I was looking for - "punishment".  There is a very definite sense from some pro-lifers that bearing a child to term is somehow "punishment" for some perceived behavior.  On the other hand, if you are a good person, we will make the problem go away.

Linus wrote: Ok, I can't stay out of it anymore. Here's my opinion, and there is no changing it. Abortion should only be allowed in 2 cases. One- The girl was raped. Two- The baby would be born with some sort of disease (Down Syndrome, etc)or it threatens the mother BUT if the girl gets preg. from consentual sex, then it's her fault. If you're old enough to decide to have sex, you're old enough to live with the consenquences. "But the condom broke" "But the pills didn't work" So what, you still chose to do it, and you chose to accept the risk of doing it. End of story. (Thanks Impulse, forgot about that part. yes if it would have some sort of detrimental health defect for the mother too.)

i thought we established eirlier that the mental copasity of young teens was limited to the present and not so much the future, meaning that they think about the action there doing rather than "if i do this i might be a dad/mother".

now that i've been threw court for blood testing my opinion has changed on the subject of abortion. when i was 15 my girlfriend was with child, it tore me apart, i became quite ill and lost nearly 20 pounds form throwing up. it made me grow up quick. she had the baby on my 16th birthday 7-10-04 at 11pm, i got a call around 3am with her telling me she had a healthy little girl, i was half asleep but i remember that conversation. the next morning i woke up and went to the hospital, i held that child for nearly 4 hours. well time passed and we ended up in court, i had to take a 3 hour class at a college about parenting and crap. anyways i took a blood test, waited 7 and a half weeks, i remember where i was the day my mom called me and told me the news from the lawer, i was not the father, i was in D.C. standing in line to buy a t-shirt, i thought i may have wet myself, i was so excited. since then my opinion on abortion has changed i also have not been sexualy active in over 25 months. just my story for the day.

i used to think just the way you do linus, guess that experiance changed my opinion on that, life does things like that....

aGUYnamedLARRY wrote: Catholics are encouraged to have sex,  they don't have TRY  and have kids everytime they want some action (lol). I wasn't saying that it was stupid of her to have sex,  I was saying that trying to bear a child when  you're that old is taking it a little bit to far.

Having sex = "trying"

At least if you are a practicing Roman Catholic, as the church prohibits the use of birth control.  And, judging by your demographic summary, so does your local community.

That was my point:  If you condemn birth control, condemn abortion, and condemn people for having children in their 40s, then you are pretty much cutting off sex (or limiting the nature thereof) for most people most of the time.

You still haven't told me how you feel about cats.

Linus wrote: Abortion should only be allowed in 2 cases. One- The girl was raped. Two- The baby would be born with some sort of disease (Down Syndrome, etc)or it threatens the mother BUT if the girl gets preg. from consentual sex, then it's her fault.

So this isn't about the life of the child - it's all about the actions of the mother?

Whazuuup! wrote: Da Hui wrote: The Bible says alot of things. I seriously think Religion has no point in this because when the bible was written they didnt have abortion. Well that's why we have people like the pope (if you're catholic), so he can help us interpret the Bible to apply it to issues in today's society.  People often make the mistake of trying to take the Bible too literally, and take things out of context, etc. It gets very annoying. Oh great I pushed it to the 10th page...

so you are not going to read the bible yourself, take from it what you think is right or wrong, and come to your own decisions?  so if i became pope, said everything opposite of what the pope before me said you would now believe that? 

larry - a person can have sex up until they die.  it is a NATURAL thing.  sex does not = only for reproduction.  if you think that then the 12 times you will ever have sex will lead to about as much sex life as you have now.  when you grow up, come back and talk about this.

i am kind of lost now on the debate.  i think minors should have to tell their parents about them getting an abortion but it is not up to the parents to make the choice of having it or aborting it.  still should be the young girls choice. 

oldsoldier wrote: My question is by those demanding the free choice in the matter of life, what happened to the choice of responsibility first. Taking the appropiate protection measures, and or absinance, over having society taking care of your lack of judgement.

This point also has been hashed over a few times...

If this is a matter of "life" - then what does "personal responsibility" have to do with it?  Does wearing a condom make the fetus any more or less human or deserving of life?

By even bringing up "personal responsibility" you make abortion something about the parents instead of something about the child - and this is fundamentally a very non-"pro-life" view of things, and fundamentally a very morally overbearing judgemental view of things.

And, as has been pointed out before - abortion IS "taking responsibility".  Any old chump can go ahead and have the baby - that just requires waiting around.  Having an abortion involves making a very serious decision and following through on it.  That seems a lot more "responsible" to me than those women who "unexpectedly" deliver a baby and then ask Jerry Springer "how'd that get there?!"  Unless, of course, by "personal responsibility" you mean "do what I think you should do".