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Clark Kent
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I would like to point out for the record that I in fact DO know everything about sex.
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Hades
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Until you are in a situtation where abortion of your "possible" child is consider you have no clue of what is involved. |
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Da Hui
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I have a few friends with kids (their 14). Pregnancy is no joke. Its hard. If people knew more about anything this world wouldnt be so damn dumb. So maybe its the parents fault. If they taught their kids about this before they choose to become active. They would be far more catious. |
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Hades
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Congrats, Clark. Someday I will be as enlightened as you are. But I still have many years and experieces ahead. |
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Da Hui
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Like the new title. To bad my thread got locked
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636andy636
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Its not a baby when its still in the mother. Shes 14, shes not old enough to have a baby, she does not have her drivers licance yet... If kids are going to have sex they should give them better education on how to have safe sex so there will be fewer teenage pregnanctys Let the people do what they want to do to there own bodys. If people want to have abortions I say let them. Its the peoples own decisions. How about you outlaw tatoo's and piercings. |
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DBibeau855
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Personal opinion shouldnt come into play when it comes to law. The process of aborting a fetus is a medical procedure, any way you slice it, thats what it is. Parental concent should be needed.
And i dont care about the emotions of the girl or what it involves. It doesnt matter. Its an elective medical procedure. It isnt an inevitablity like childbirth. If the kid is pregnant no one is going to tell her you need to get this form signed in order for us to deliver this baby for you. |
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aGUYnamedLARRY
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Its not a baby when its still in the mother. Shes 14, shes not old enough to have a baby, she does not have her drivers licance yet... If kids are going to have sex they should give them better education on how to have safe sex so there will be fewer teenage pregnanctys Let the people do what they want to do to there own bodys. If people want to have abortions I say let them. Its the peoples own decisions. How about you outlaw tatoo's and piercings.[/QUOTE] Yes, it's a kid when it's in the mother. A person's a person, no matter how small. Have you ever seen the ultra sounds? Just because they're small, that doesn't mean you can ruthlessly murder them with sick cruel methods. They can FEEL PAIN. Ok 636, let's say you're out of a job ok? You need a place to bum out at a friends house till you've got back on your feet. Your friend thinks you are to much trouble and decides to drown you in battery acid. He could also run you through a tree grinder, he could also cut out the back of your skull and use a vacuum cleaner to suck yer brains out. And if he decides randomly knife you in your sleep that's ok because to your friend you're just a big pain in the butt, so you can be killed, right? Tattoos? body piercing? that's a pathetic way of comparing things. Killing someone is very different from a tatoo. Hey if we can make people stop with the tatoos and body piercing we should stop people from cutting their hair! It's sick stupid people like you that are corrupting the world today. The U.S. has 15 years before it tears itself apart... |
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Badsmitty
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It may sound like a cop-out, but I think both sides are right on this issue.
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aGUYnamedLARRY
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onemadfiddla: what are your views on abortion?
ElfLusseloss: why do you say that? onemadfiddla: all abortion is wrong, yes? ElfLusseloss: yes onemadfiddla: good ElfLusseloss: absolutely onemadfiddla: tell that to the retards on this paintball forum ElfLusseloss: no room for negotiating ElfLusseloss: tell them a girl said it and sometimes that hits home better onemadfiddla: heh heh heh ok That was a conversation me and my girlfriend just had. She told me I should tell you guys. |
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DBibeau855
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Basicaly. My thoughts on it. Aside from what i think about it legally speaking.
Parents shouldnt be able to tell their child not to have sex once they reach a certain age. The age of sexual maturity and responsiblity varies from culture to culture, family to familay and from country to country. Its a culture that defines the age of sexual maturity. A cultures mores and folkways are what set the laws and tabboos of said culture. We set up "age of concent" laws in an effort to protect our children from the devients of society. But the point at wich a person matures and is able to have sex responsibly varies from person to person. It may seem perfectly natural for a 14 year old to have sex with a 20 year old in a different country. Their moores and folkways alow this. But in this country. Our moores and our folkways stipulate that a person does not reach maturity, is not viewed upon as an adult capable of making their own decisions until the age of 18. Sexual maturity is irrelevent. They must be viewed upon by society to where they are fit to make their own decisions, viewed as an adult, this age is 18, like it, or not. But in a perfect world, in a vacume, a person should have the right to have sex with whoever they want should they choose, and parental concent would not be necessary to obtain an abortion, because again, it would violate the girls right to privacy. In this society, we are not viewed upon as adults capable of making our own decisions until we reach the age of 18, this goes hand in hand with medical procedures, peircings, tattoes, voting, joining the military, and being tried as an adult in the eyes of the law. Abortion should be no difference. Its still a medical procedure and our society says that you are not capable of making these types of decisions until the age of 18. |
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Hades
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Why doesnt this "girlfriend" of yours come tell this retard herself?
And why should I care what she thinks? She hasnt had sex either so to me, her opinion doesnt count. |
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DBibeau855
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My girlfriend thinks we should invade North Korea.
But you know. That doesnt make it right. In other words. It doesnt matter what she thinks. |
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636andy636
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Yes, it's a kid when it's in the mother. A person's a person, no matter how small. Have you ever seen the ultra sounds? Just because they're small, that doesn't mean you can ruthlessly murder them with sick cruel methods. They can FEEL PAIN. Ok 636, let's say you're out of a job ok? You need a place to bum out at a friends house till you've got back on your feet. Your friend thinks you are to much trouble and decides to drown you in battery acid. He could also run you through a tree grinder, he could also cut out the back of your skull and use a vacuum cleaner to suck yer brains out. And if he decides randomly knife you in your sleep that's ok because to your friend you're just a big pain in the butt, so you can be killed, right? Tattoos? body piercing? that's a pathetic way of comparing things. Killing someone is very different from a tatoo. Hey if we can make people stop with the tatoos and body piercing we should stop people from cutting their hair! It's sick stupid people like you that are corrupting the world today. The U.S. has 15 years before it tears itself apart... [/QUOTE] LOL Its a fetus, can you interact with a fetus? Its not a person till its born |
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DBibeau855
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Yes. You can interact with a fetus. I kept my mom up moving around in the womb. She played simon and garfunkle and i quit moving and went to sleep.
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Clark Kent
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Actually, the age of consent varies from state to state. 16 in many states, lower than that in some. And minors have many rights. In many states minors can marry without parental consent. In every state minors can own a car and drive, endangering themselves and others, without parental consent. Simply pointing to 18 as a bright-line rule is too simple. |
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Rambino
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Nothing personal. Topics like this just have a tendency to spread and take over the forum. |
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DBibeau855
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I wasnt saying that 18 was age of consent, its 17 in virginia and 16 in michigan. I know it varies, but minors are not allowed to enter into contracts, nor are they allowed to alter their bodies with peircings or tatto ext ext. Minors can drive because of the state mandated driving test and driver qualification exams. Its not a right its a privilage. |
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Clark Kent
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The distinction between a right and a privilege exists only in civics class. The reality is that minors have a number of rights in terms of what they do to and with their bodies and lives, and these rights accrue at different stages of their lives. (And even 18 isn't a total win - consider alcohol, for instance) My point is simply that we cannot hang the minor consent requirement on the statement that minors don't have rights over themselves - because they do. In particular they have the right to have sex, which tends to lead to pregnancy. There are NO states where it is actually a crime to have sex as a minor - the crime is committed by the adult. This is different from buying alcohol, for instance, or driving underage, both of which are actually crimes when committed by people of insufficient age. Having sex is never a crime due to your own age. And if we don't make sex illegal for minors, we cannot hang a minor consent requirement for abortion on age alone. And, BTW, responding to an earlier post - childbirth is not an inevitability after pregnancy. That is really the subject matter of this discussion. Once you are pregnant, A medical procedure will follow (barring miscarriage) - the question is which one. And if parents have the right to force their minor child to have the MORE dangerous medical procedure instead of the LESS dangerous procedure, then it should logically follow that they should also have the right to force their child to have the LESS dangerous procedure instead of the MORE dangerous procedure. Anything else would be silly. Unless, of course, the whole "medical procedure" argument is post hoc, in which I will feel free to ignore it completely. |
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DBibeau855
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We can debate this all day long. Its an elective voluntary medical procedure. My stance is that legaly the minors guardians should have to give concent or be notified.
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