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Hades
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No, it isnt the key to happiness, it is an esstentional key to survival.
Try living off handing out bibles and see how meals that will buy you. Just remember George Bush doesnt care about black people. Edited by Hades |
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Hoytshooter
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I its becuase black ppl dont care about george bush lol. But if theres a will theres a way. My parents had my oldest sister when he was 19 and she was 18. He worked at dairy king. She didnt work. He took out loans and became a desiel machanic. Still didnt make much money but was barely gettin by. Then they had my middle sister, tough times, they got through it. you cant just throw away a life. A life is a wonderful thing. You cant just get rid of it becuase you think its a burden to you. |
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Hades
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Yeah because all the Dairy Queens and mechanic shops in the ghetto hire 14 year old girls. Just think of how hard it would be if your father wasnt there giving you mom and sister his paycheck to live on. How many boys that impregnate teenage or younger girls stick around to help support the baby?
Regardless the proposition that is being discussed in this thread has nothing to do with your parents example since both your parents werent minors when they had your oldest sister. Tell some 9, 10, 11, 12 year old girl she has to have a kid and raise it. That child is that is pregant is still a child herself, and you expect her to be a mother. Good thinking there... Edited by Hades |
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aGUYnamedLARRY
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When a girl is that young and she gets pregnant, she still has her PARENTS paycheck to live off of.
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Panda Man
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^ thats not the point... She doesn't need to be taken care of all her life.
Also, you know how much it takes to raise a Child? |
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Tae Kwon Do
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And if her parents dont get paychecks? If her parents are not ever around? If her parents are abusive? If her parents live paycheck to paycheck, and just make enough to support themselves? |
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Hades
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It isnt the Grandparents responsiblity to raise and financially pay for the newborn. It is the childs.
And I alreadly said most of these girls parents dont have incomes or wont support another child. Yeah, what the two posts above me said. Once again, people who have no idea what it takes to raise/support another human being seem to think they can tell people who are in this situation what to do. Edited by Hades |
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aGUYnamedLARRY
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jerk... |
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aGUYnamedLARRY
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Ok fine, let's see it that way. Let the child live and hand it off to some old nunnery where they'll take care of the kid for you. |
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aGUYnamedLARRY
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Yes I know it's alot, but to take it's life so you can live fat and happy is just dandy now isn't it? |
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Hades
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Yeah because all the nunneries are not already over stocked with non aborted children as it already is.
And Id rather the child be raised in a very crappy enviroment than have it be wasted in a nunnery. At least the ghetto baby has a better chance at life then the nunnery baby. Disclaimer: I am sure there is nothing terribly wrong with most nunneries. But the point is the children given up for adoption are just as bad off as their parents where. They go through life feeling unwanted, have cravings for love and affection, subtitute sex for love, and the cycle repeats itself. Another Disclaimer: I know not all kids that go through a nunnery wiil repeat the cycle but this thread isnt about those kids. This thread is about the people stuck in the cycle. Edited by Hades |
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Hades
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You have no idea what your talking about. |
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Tae Kwon Do
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I think you are missing the point here. NOBODY (Ok, maybe a few wierd ones) supports abortion. If they think they can handle child birth, more power too them. If they can live off of their parents and deal with it, ok. BUT, Just becuase they want too, that should not dictate that all others who DONT want to, who dont think they can handle it, should not have the option to do it.
None of us are pro-abortion, we are pro-CHOICE.... |
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aGUYnamedLARRY
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Nobody knows the right meaning of sex.
Sex is supposed to be commiting your life to your spouse and to your child. When you have sex it's supposed to be saying that you're going to take responsibility for your child. Ok now for rape : it's not your fault, but it's not the childs fault that he/she's there either. All the same it's still a child, it still has every right that you or I do. If you have the right to kill that child, whether it be there by rape or because you just like sex, then I or anybody else with a little common sense and morals should be allowed to destroy the world so this madness will end. |
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aGUYnamedLARRY
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"pro-choice"? Now you're trying to take the blame off your shoulders. I choose to kill my liberal pro choice neighbor. I choose to go driving as fast as I want. I choose to join those crazy middle easterns and slaughter americans by the thousand. I choose to blow up the power plants cause I don't like the lights to be on at night. I choose to rule the world cause it'd be fun. I choose to poison the water pipes. I choose to do whatever the hell I please because I am pro choice. |
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darkSIDEofMOON
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now you are looking from a catholic point of view. you must not understand that everyone is NOT catholic. we don't hold the same view points, and yes they are view points, as yourself. you have stated that abortion is wrong. why? because it kills a fetus, inflicts pain and is "sick". but the main fact is that you know little of the birthing process it self. the point at which the fetus is aborted is when it is still in a developmental period. during this time the embryo/fetus is actually just a bunch of cells dividing and differentiation of cellure types. now many studies have been conducted on these various stages of the "pain" you said is inflicted onto the embryo/fetus. the research points out that there is little or any pain at all. why? because nothing has fully formed anywhere. killing it is a 50/50 chance. why? because most pregnacies end in spontaneous abortion, naturally if that makes it better to understand. most don't even know because they just bleed it out thinking it is their period. the "sick" part is only from your opinion. medical terms use nothing of the word sick. it is only because you have little information of the actual fact that you call it sick. kinda like thinking all people who read the bible are catholic (jewish, muslim etc.). now your girlfriend says that "a girl says it is sick, wrong, etc." good for here. she has a standpoint, either hers or her parents, depending on how old she is and actual information she has. then you stated that you know 20 girls who think the same way. again either their opinions or just the stuff they repeat from their parents. now i know 20 women who say just the opposite of them. whats the point? that there are just as many saying "no" as there are saying "yes". now lastly i wanted to confront you on is this. you state that it is morally wrong and that who do have abortions have no morals at all. well just to let you know, they do have morals. they may even have stronger morals than yourself. just because they choose this over having a child does not make them morally wrong. why would it? there are things that your religion has done that is 10000000000 times unmoral that you probably don't talk too much about. does that make the catholic faith as a whole, morally wrong? no. so again, stating that someone is morally wrong is attacking one. if you were to say that directly to me, i would put you in your place in an instance. you really need to look at both sides. understand both sides. because this is more complicated than stating what a religion has told you to say. |
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Clark Kent
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I can understand this reasoning. However, if this is all about the child, when why are you so busy with this type of thing:
If it's all about the baby, why the fire and brimstone "meaning of sex" diversion? All that does is tell me that you are not entirely sincere about the concern for the baby, and that perhaps your self-righteousness has more to do with personal views of sexuality. You would be better off sticking with one or the other. Combining them smells of hypocrisy. |
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aGUYnamedLARRY
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A ghetto kid? They're gonna grow up an uneducated bum and beg for money and get thrown in jail for all that pot he's got. Nunnerys teach STRONGLEY against sex. Old nunnerys little kids will turn out alot less likely to have sex before marriage then any other place in the world. |
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Tae Kwon Do
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My turn to break it down, Clark.
Translation, "People have different ideals than I do"
No, Sex is the act of a man putting a penis in a womans vagina. Sorry if that is graphic, but that is SEX. The other things are human emotional attachments.
So if the man put on a condom, and the woman is on the pill, is he/she is murdering? Is sex ONLY for conception?
Ball of cells =/= Child
So you would justify killing live, already living humans for Zygotes? People do think that, the people who bomb abortion clinics and murder Planned Parenthood workers. Too bad in the eyes of the law, THEY are the murders, not the clinic workers... Edited by Tae Kwon Do |
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Hades
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I think birth control throws a huge wrench in your responsiblity for the child theory. |
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