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Clark Kent 
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Actually, the age of consent varies from state to state. 16 in many states, lower than that in some. And minors have many rights. In many states minors can marry without parental consent. In every state minors can own a car and drive, endangering themselves and others, without parental consent. Simply pointing to 18 as a bright-line rule is too simple. |
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DBibeau855
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Posted: 10 November 2005 at 9:37pm |
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Yes. You can interact with a fetus. I kept my mom up moving around in the womb. She played simon and garfunkle and i quit moving and went to sleep.
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636andy636
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Posted: 10 November 2005 at 9:15pm |
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Yes, it's a kid when it's in the mother. A person's a person, no matter how small. Have you ever seen the ultra sounds? Just because they're small, that doesn't mean you can ruthlessly murder them with sick cruel methods. They can FEEL PAIN. Ok 636, let's say you're out of a job ok? You need a place to bum out at a friends house till you've got back on your feet. Your friend thinks you are to much trouble and decides to drown you in battery acid. He could also run you through a tree grinder, he could also cut out the back of your skull and use a vacuum cleaner to suck yer brains out. And if he decides randomly knife you in your sleep that's ok because to your friend you're just a big pain in the butt, so you can be killed, right? Tattoos? body piercing? that's a pathetic way of comparing things. Killing someone is very different from a tatoo. Hey if we can make people stop with the tatoos and body piercing we should stop people from cutting their hair! It's sick stupid people like you that are corrupting the world today. The U.S. has 15 years before it tears itself apart... [/QUOTE] LOL Its a fetus, can you interact with a fetus? Its not a person till its born |
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DBibeau855
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Posted: 10 November 2005 at 8:17pm |
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My girlfriend thinks we should invade North Korea.
But you know. That doesnt make it right. In other words. It doesnt matter what she thinks. |
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Hades
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Posted: 10 November 2005 at 8:15pm |
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Why doesnt this "girlfriend" of yours come tell this retard herself?
And why should I care what she thinks? She hasnt had sex either so to me, her opinion doesnt count. |
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DBibeau855
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Posted: 10 November 2005 at 8:14pm |
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Basicaly. My thoughts on it. Aside from what i think about it legally speaking.
Parents shouldnt be able to tell their child not to have sex once they reach a certain age. The age of sexual maturity and responsiblity varies from culture to culture, family to familay and from country to country. Its a culture that defines the age of sexual maturity. A cultures mores and folkways are what set the laws and tabboos of said culture. We set up "age of concent" laws in an effort to protect our children from the devients of society. But the point at wich a person matures and is able to have sex responsibly varies from person to person. It may seem perfectly natural for a 14 year old to have sex with a 20 year old in a different country. Their moores and folkways alow this. But in this country. Our moores and our folkways stipulate that a person does not reach maturity, is not viewed upon as an adult capable of making their own decisions until the age of 18. Sexual maturity is irrelevent. They must be viewed upon by society to where they are fit to make their own decisions, viewed as an adult, this age is 18, like it, or not. But in a perfect world, in a vacume, a person should have the right to have sex with whoever they want should they choose, and parental concent would not be necessary to obtain an abortion, because again, it would violate the girls right to privacy. In this society, we are not viewed upon as adults capable of making our own decisions until we reach the age of 18, this goes hand in hand with medical procedures, peircings, tattoes, voting, joining the military, and being tried as an adult in the eyes of the law. Abortion should be no difference. Its still a medical procedure and our society says that you are not capable of making these types of decisions until the age of 18. |
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aGUYnamedLARRY
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Posted: 10 November 2005 at 8:10pm |
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onemadfiddla: what are your views on abortion?
ElfLusseloss: why do you say that? onemadfiddla: all abortion is wrong, yes? ElfLusseloss: yes onemadfiddla: good ElfLusseloss: absolutely onemadfiddla: tell that to the retards on this paintball forum ElfLusseloss: no room for negotiating ElfLusseloss: tell them a girl said it and sometimes that hits home better onemadfiddla: heh heh heh ok That was a conversation me and my girlfriend just had. She told me I should tell you guys. |
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Posted: 10 November 2005 at 8:02pm |
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It may sound like a cop-out, but I think both sides are right on this issue.
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Its not a baby when its still in the mother. Shes 14, shes not old enough to have a baby, she does not have her drivers licance yet... If kids are going to have sex they should give them better education on how to have safe sex so there will be fewer teenage pregnanctys Let the people do what they want to do to there own bodys. If people want to have abortions I say let them. Its the peoples own decisions. How about you outlaw tatoo's and piercings.[/QUOTE] Yes, it's a kid when it's in the mother. A person's a person, no matter how small. Have you ever seen the ultra sounds? Just because they're small, that doesn't mean you can ruthlessly murder them with sick cruel methods. They can FEEL PAIN. Ok 636, let's say you're out of a job ok? You need a place to bum out at a friends house till you've got back on your feet. Your friend thinks you are to much trouble and decides to drown you in battery acid. He could also run you through a tree grinder, he could also cut out the back of your skull and use a vacuum cleaner to suck yer brains out. And if he decides randomly knife you in your sleep that's ok because to your friend you're just a big pain in the butt, so you can be killed, right? Tattoos? body piercing? that's a pathetic way of comparing things. Killing someone is very different from a tatoo. Hey if we can make people stop with the tatoos and body piercing we should stop people from cutting their hair! It's sick stupid people like you that are corrupting the world today. The U.S. has 15 years before it tears itself apart... |
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DBibeau855
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Posted: 10 November 2005 at 7:41pm |
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Personal opinion shouldnt come into play when it comes to law. The process of aborting a fetus is a medical procedure, any way you slice it, thats what it is. Parental concent should be needed.
And i dont care about the emotions of the girl or what it involves. It doesnt matter. Its an elective medical procedure. It isnt an inevitablity like childbirth. If the kid is pregnant no one is going to tell her you need to get this form signed in order for us to deliver this baby for you. |
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Posted: 10 November 2005 at 7:07pm |
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Its not a baby when its still in the mother. Shes 14, shes not old enough to have a baby, she does not have her drivers licance yet... If kids are going to have sex they should give them better education on how to have safe sex so there will be fewer teenage pregnanctys Let the people do what they want to do to there own bodys. If people want to have abortions I say let them. Its the peoples own decisions. How about you outlaw tatoo's and piercings. |
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Posted: 10 November 2005 at 6:28pm |
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Like the new title. To bad my thread got locked
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Posted: 10 November 2005 at 6:12pm |
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Congrats, Clark. Someday I will be as enlightened as you are. But I still have many years and experieces ahead. 
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Posted: 10 November 2005 at 6:09pm |
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I have a few friends with kids (their 14). Pregnancy is no joke. Its hard. If people knew more about anything this world wouldnt be so damn dumb. So maybe its the parents fault. If they taught their kids about this before they choose to become active. They would be far more catious. |
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Posted: 10 November 2005 at 6:09pm |
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Until you are in a situtation where abortion of your "possible" child is consider you have no clue of what is involved. |
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Clark Kent
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Posted: 10 November 2005 at 6:06pm |
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I would like to point out for the record that I in fact DO know everything about sex.
EDIT - ugh, I just pushed my own post to the previous page Edited by Clark Kent |
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Clark Kent
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Posted: 10 November 2005 at 6:05pm |
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You don't find those positions inconsistent? There are a lot more doctors/nurses/equipment involved in childbirth than in an abortion... I don't see how childbirth isn't a medical procedure. |
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Posted: 10 November 2005 at 6:03pm |
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How many 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17 year old girls do you know that know everything about sex, contraception, and pregnancy? Hell, I know several that are 18+ and still dont have a clue. I best most forummers on this site dont have much of a clue either. I had to explain to someone what a female condom once was on this site. Experts or informed about sex and pregnancy my foot. |
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.Ryan
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Posted: 10 November 2005 at 6:02pm |
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An abortion has a whole different set of consequences than any other medical procedure though.
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DBibeau855
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Posted: 10 November 2005 at 5:59pm |
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My sister has had 2 kids and 3 abortions that i know about. Im well aware of what is involved.
No. Parents should not be able to force an abortion on a child. But if they really dont want her to have that kid. She wont have the kid. She will go through child birth, the parents wont support the child and child services will come and carry the kid off because the girl is an unfit mother. She makes no money and blah blah blah. The bottom line is. Children cannot get medical procedures without the concent of the guardians. An abortion shouldnt be any different. |
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DBibeau855 wrote:
How can you say a 14 year old child has the right to decide about abortion. She cant even drive yet alone decide if she wants to abort a innocent baby! Abortion now is just a to erase a mistake,"oh were having a bay lets abort it thats the easy thing to do!" Just like divorce," oh were arguing lets get a divorce''(there are exceptions to the divorce thing) Why these kids are having premarital sex is... well I dont know. The point is parents should know and abortion should be outlawed. This is my beliefs and I stand by them.