Abortion/ Goverment power debate.

If suzie can get an abortion without parental constent. Sara should be able to get a breast augmentation, or a nose job.

Thats really my whole point. Suzie gets an abortion. Little amy should be able to get a liver transplant or liposuction or whatever.

HAHA, ok andy... stop... I don't wanna see you get another Strike...

<panda adds 10 more E-points to andy's total>

DBibeau855 wrote: Thats really my whole point. Suzie gets an abortion. Little amy should be able to get a liver transplant or liposuction or whatever.

So everybody is agreeing that there is an inconsistency with the government policy on this, right?

^Thank you.

Anyone making an analogy of abortion to every other optional medical procedure is an absolute idiot.

If you can't think deeper than that, you quite honestly must not even be a human.

Hades wrote: Why doesnt this "girlfriend" of yours come tell this retard herself? And why should I care what she thinks? She hasnt had sex either so to me, her opinion doesnt count.

She hasn't had sex for many reasons
and one of them is because she could not provide for this child as of yet.
She WANTS a family of 12 when she gets married.
Abortion is just plain selfish and I know  at least 25 GIRLS that think so too.   I am the third oldest of 9 kids,  my neighbors the O'Riellys have 12,  my OTHER neighbors the buyers have 8,  my OTHER neithbors the deerdurrfs have 9, the Mcmahons have 9, the Delaneys have 8,  my OTHER neighbors have 15, my OTHER neighbors have 9.  This girl who recently graduated from the nearby  college was the youngest of 20,  the Mcshurleys have 9 also.
I live in a catholic community and those are only the people I know,  there's lots more where they came from.
ALL of these people know that abortion is wrong,  ALL of these huge familys are getting a good education,  all of these kids have the RIGHT attention from their parents and the soccer team they put together last year went undefeated.    They all KNOW abortion is sick.
How come  you "pro choice"  people think it's ok to ruthlessly murder innocent children and DON'T tell me it's because they're not people.
If there is ANY BOUBT that they are human they should not be killed.
If you think  "I choose to kill this kid cause it'll make my life easier"  then how about I "choose" to shove your perverted penis into a meat grinder cause that'll prevent any unwanted pregnancys.
I could "choose"   to  randomly kill people on the street but I don't cause it's WROOOONG.
Seriously,  it's immature to have sex if you're just going to kill the kid.
Even under rape there is no negotiation whatsoever,  this kid still has the right to live whether you like it or not.


The reason she doesn't come tell these "retards"  herself is because she's not really into paintballing so it's not like she's gonna join a forum either.

Abortion is not Murder. Murder is a legal definition for the unlawful killing of another person is certain circumstances. Since in all 50 states of this country, abortion is legal, it is impossible to claim abortion is murder. Every time a person directly causes another persons death, it isnt always considered murder. It may in fact be be a human killing another human but it definately isnt murder from a legal standpoint.

I am sure we all know teens that have had children at a young age.

But how many of those teens come from a crappy enviroment? For instance how much support does Jessica Fox get from her parent? Not every kid has that kind of supports. No 14 year old is going to have a job to pay for babyfood, clothes, and diapers when their parents and family disown them for getting pregnant.

Now look at Betty. Both her parents are crackheads, neither parent is ever at home and there is never any food in the refridgerator. Betty doesnt feel loved by her parents so she goes and has sex with 17 year old Johnny to fill that void. She cant afford contraceptives and is constantly suspended from school so she cant get free ones from there. Plus Johnny wont wear condoms but Betty is desparate for the need to feel loved and mistakenly thinks having sex with Johnny will fill that void. She becomes pregnant and Johnny disappears. Betty realises that the child to be will never have a good life in that it has absolutely no chance for happiness. Betty can raise the child herself, the grand parents obviously are going to be no help since they cant even raise Betty. Adoption not an option in her mind because Betty has a half brother already in the foster care system where he is constantly abused by the guardians that are incharge of his care because they are just raising the kids to collect a check from the government. Also in her city the Child service department is so overcrowded and over worked that Betty realises the child will have no chance for happiness and giving birth to the child will create an even bigger burden to her allready crappy comunity.

Instead of being selfish and putting the child to be in a perpetual crappy enviroment, Betty makes a selfless decision to have her pregnancy terminated.

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Clark Kent wrote: It's not a matter of "easier" - a child at the wrong time is a completely life-changing event.

Bam!! That is what I have been grasping at that has been just beyond the tip of my tounge. I feel until a person has been in a sitation where an unplanned or unwanted pregnancy occurs, it is impossible to judge someone that is in that situation and their choices resulting from it. Since an unwanted/unplanned pregnancy is such a huge life altering event peoples perpectives change. I have seen people go from the strictest pro life perspective to a very liberal pro-choice perpective. This issue is very complex.

I am sure in a prefect world everyone would have to have the products of their reproductive actions. But unfortunately the world isnt perfect so solutions to problems and hard decisions have to made.

As the bible says, the poor will always be among us. Poor people can have too. basically clark what your saying is money is the key to happiness?