A little History, Jan 1972, a brokered peace treaty signed in Paris ending US involvement in Vietnam. America pulls out with the promise to return on any aggression showed by the North. Mar/Apr 1975, North Vietnam invades South Vietnam, South Vietnam pleads for our help, the Democratic Congress who made the promise to return, turn thier backs, many the same who backed Johnson on the initial deployments in 1964. President Ford attempts to send forces, the Democratic controlled Congress revokes his ability to do so. The world wonders on American commitment and promises. 1975-1979 massive retaliations against any South Vietnamese who were "involved" with the Americans, mass executions, re-education concentration camps, and the beginnings of the exodus of the "boat people". Cambodia, 1975 the Khemer Rouge begin thier re-education no longer fearing American intervention based on the Vietnam example. Anyone remmember "The Killing Fields".
I challenge any of you to go and talk to any older Vietnamese on thier expieriences of this time, thier opinions of todays situation in Iraq, and see if they do not see a parrallel.

Hypothetical- 2008 the American Pullout-
Now lets think a little here. First off any Iraqi who has aligned him/herself currently with American/British forces will see it in thier best interest to change alligences (quickly) in order to avoid the vendettas of the Jihadists. Iraqi Government/police/military will begin to desert in mass numbers once pullout date announced, again to hopefully avoid the vendettas of the Jihadists. This alone will tend to increase the level of violence as civil control vanishes.

Now after the pullout and the religious genocide/vendettas commence of those who supported the "infidel", along with any religios faction not aligned with the "victorious" Jihadists, what will be Americas "official" stance?

America has no lost any credense in foriegn policy in assisting those who find their desire for democracy challenged. Who in thier right mind will ask for our help, knowing that we will politically tuck tail and run as soon as politically required by the Democrats.

Some Interesting Reads:
http://www.ctc.usma.edu/naji.asp

http://www.ctc.usma.edu/Management_of_Savagery.pdf

Just thier view of the "future"

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Pulling out is totally ineffective.
and, uh....
If you don't wear a helmet, you don't have any brains to protect!

1942-

Our Pacific Fleet sits at the bottom of Pearl Harbor, Japan rules the western Pacific, the Phillipines fall, Austrailia threatened, most of our pacific garrisons overrun...

U-Boats off the eastern seaboard, Britian and Russia tetering on defeat, our first major action in North Africa a resounding defeat for American forces in the face of the Afrika Corps (Kassirine Pass)...

Maybe we should have pulled out, and put our heads in the sand and hope it all works out.....if it were today...the Dems would insist on it...........

oldsoldier wrote: 1942- Our Pacific Fleet sits at the bottom of Pearl Harbor, Japan rules the western Pacific, the Phillipines fall, Austrailia threatened, most of our pacific garrisons overrun... U-Boats off the eastern seaboard, Britian and Russia tetering on defeat, our first major action in North Africa a resounding defeat for American forces in the face of the Afrika Corps (Kassirine Pass)... Maybe we should have pulled out, and put our heads in the sand and hope it all works out.....if it were today...the Dems would insist on it...........

Of course, because Dems are evil? I think you only have an on and off switch, no in between dimmer system.

I don't really see the comparison you're trying to pull off here. I think you're stretching a bit.

Edited by Dune - 28 March 2007 at 4:37pm

i pull out.

oldsoldier wrote: Again stuck in a T/S waitin to pick up in am to head home. Have you read Management of Savagery? They are accomplishing thier goals, turn our populace, turn our politics, defang our military....etc Where will it stop............... BTW- It took US 11 years to consolidate our democracy way back when there Dune..............

Go read your book again and quit making annoying posts, please?

oldsoldier wrote: BTW- It took US 11 years to consolidate our democracy way back when there Dune..............

I wasn't talking about our Democracy. Two different countries, two different histories, two different ideologies.

Skillet42565 wrote: oldsoldier wrote: Again stuck in a T/S waitin to pick up in am to head home. Have you read Management of Savagery? They are accomplishing thier goals, turn our populace, turn our politics, defang our military....etc Where will it stop............... BTW- It took US 11 years to consolidate our democracy way back when there Dune.............. Go read your book again and quit making annoying posts, please?

Yes, OS. Please do cease making annoying posts. God forbid that their should be any serious thoughts/opinions expressed that don't agree with the accepted/popular liberal leanings on this forum. After all, free speech should only apply to those who agree with us.

A truly remarkable job on the generalizing, OS. Yes, because everyone of liberal leanings burns the troops in effigy, not just a few nutjobs. Obviously.

EDIT: About Skillet's comments, ignore him, he sucks at humor.

Edited by BARREL BREAK - 28 March 2007 at 7:54pm