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    Posted: 27 May 2007 at 2:41pm
So I've just gotten a Cyclone feeder for my trusty M98C (I've had this thing for going on 7 years now, first marker ever), and been looking around, listening to all the gnashing of teeth and rending of hair on the stock plastic pieces for the system, so I'm wondering: in the world of replacement ratchets, whose is better, the JCS Jet Click or the TechT Vortex? It looks like TechT is the only ones making an aftermarket non-plastic rod, but I'm torn between which ratchet replacement to pick up for the assumed inevitable breakdown of the stock parts.

Also, has anyone else seen the soon to come out QEPH piston housing? Anyone else wondering exactly how much paint goo all those open slots are going to be gathering during a normal day of play?
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Go with the Vortex mod. I've heard of more people buying that than the JCS one.
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Originally posted by sinisterNorth sinisterNorth wrote:

I've heard of more people buying that than the JCS one.


^Yes that's a justifiable reason to get one!

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I read on another forum of someone who had both and said the JCS one was better because it is 10x easier to install compared to the Vortex. The JCS one has a Brass bushing which will take the wear and tear. Also the teeth are smaller which allow for a faster cyclone.

BTW I haven't installed my Vortex or lightening rod yet... but I tried and then gave up for a little while, because the TechT screwed up the sizes of the lightening rod pin ... it was slightly too big for the vortex holes but they say to hammer the pin into the holes but you while hammering have to make sure the pin doesn't hit the swiss bearing otherwise you just ruined the lightening rod.  The JCS has only 1 pin for their jet click and it slides in perfectly.  Every order I've done through TechT I've had problems.

So I have the Vortex but I think the JCS one is better especially for installation purposes.  Don't just follow the crowd!



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techt recently changed the lightening rod.  they not use a brass bushing instead of the swiss bearings.  you can get a free exhange from them..  i personally ahve a vortex mod and it works good.  all in all they work all the sdame using a harder material to keept he rathet from wearing out at high rates of fire.  my cyclone has no wear on it from regular use fromt he vortex so i see no need for the brass bushings from the jcs kit.  anything beyond 20bps is a waste.  but both mods should make it possible to reach 20bps along with a QEV or QEPH.  As for reviews of the QEPH i heard that when it shoots all debris is blown outof the holes from the blowback gas.  but the reason why i havent invested in one yet is because of debris getting it ie dirt, twigs etc.  which can ruin the oring which i would rather not chance.  I went with a QEV before the QEPH came out and very satisfied with it.
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I'm not so much worried about getting anywhere near 20bps, as I don't have an e-grip on my Custom. Not going to put one on, either. I have plenty of other electroflingers (7 Tribals + parts for another one or two, last time I looked) to waste paint with. However, with just a double trigger, an HPA tank, and my hopped up fast-twitch muscles, I do manage to outshoot my 12V Revvy w/Vortex impeller and WAS TurboRev board quite often. And when I play with this girl, I expect her to be there for me, flinging paint at every pull of the trigger. Which is why I've gone for a Cyclone, plus, less batteries I have to buy, a happier paintflinger am I.

Now, looking at the pics, is the TechT ratchet made out of aluminum, or just slightly metallic looking plastic? I can see that the JCS still uses a plastic ratchet and a brass bushing, but can't quite make out what the TechT is made from.

Thanks for all your input, folks!
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Originally posted by SilentDeath1288 SilentDeath1288 wrote:

... changed the lightening rod....  you can get a free exhange from them... 


for seriously?

Must I exchange it? Or do they send them out to people that had the old one...  cause shipping with insurance + tracking to USA is nearly as much as a new lightening rod for me.
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Interesting. I experienced a bit of frustration installing my Vortex/Lightning Rod mods. After getting them, and installing them I read about the JCS Ratchet mod. So, if my installation failed, I may just get the JCS Ratchet, and sell my TechT replacement. What I wanna know is, if there's another after-market Rod replacement or if it's not necessary with the JCS Click Ratchet. I'm pretty sure, I bought the Lightning rod for a reason. It's gonna be a bit better than the stock ratchet...
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I have all three mods for my Cyclone, the Vortex, Lightning Rod, and Q.E.P.H! My A5 only improved every time I put a TechT product on it. When I learned of the bearing failure in the Lightning Rod a few months ago, I called Todd. He advised me to try and remove the pin my self and he would send me the brass insert. I tried and failed! I snapped my Lightning Rod and damaged my Vortex. I then called Todd to see what kind of runaround I was in for. Let's just say a new updated Lightning Rod with bushing and Vortex with updated holes was in my hands within 5 days. With no charge to me! I have spoken with Todd several times since. He and his crew continue to strive every day to give us some of the best products possible for our guns. TechT also has customer support only comparable to that of Tippmann! They stand behind the stuff they make. I am not saying the JCS is junk, but I have only had good results with TechT's stuff. So I have no reason to stray from them. But let me ask this... Who made the original metal ratchet system? Who went a little further and developed a better cylinder piston rod? Who then developed a piston housing that actually improves your Cyclone? And, at this moment are working on a better paddle design for the Cyclone. Not to mention a new valve assembly for the gun itself. If you want to know what manufacturer does all this and will still have your back should they fail click HERE!
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I screwed up my Lightening Rod when I tried to install the new brass bushing.  Todd told me to send the damaged Rod back and he'd send me a new one.
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Originally posted by usagi.tetsu usagi.tetsu wrote:

I'm not so much worried about getting anywhere near 20bps, as I don't have an e-grip on my Custom. Not going to put one on, either. I have plenty of other electroflingers (7 Tribals + parts for another one or two, last time I looked) to waste paint with. However, with just a double trigger, an HPA tank, and my hopped up fast-twitch muscles, I do manage to outshoot my 12V Revvy w/Vortex impeller and WAS TurboRev board quite often. And when I play with this girl, I expect her to be there for me, flinging paint at every pull of the trigger. Which is why I've gone for a Cyclone, plus, less batteries I have to buy, a happier paintflinger am I.

Now, looking at the pics, is the TechT ratchet made out of aluminum, or just slightly metallic looking plastic? I can see that the JCS still uses a plastic ratchet and a brass bushing, but can't quite make out what the TechT is made from.

Thanks for all your input, folks!


I hate to say your wrong, But, I just installed the JCS mod in my X-7 and I can tell you for a fact it is not plastic, it's aluminum.
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Got my new Lightening Rod last week.  Installed it with a QEPH last Thursday.  Had the APE board set for 20bps in ramp mode and let it rip.  Went through 3 hoppers full of paint without a break!  As far as I'm concerned, TechT has an amazing product line!
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hmm sorry to stair things up, but i think the vortex is the worst thing i have ever seen, i have been through 3!! non fired more than 300 rounds before braking, as in, metal bending/misshaping, the pin working its way lose and dragging on the plastic not allowing the vortex to turn......thing it, same problem with all 3, fitted on my self, one by the dealer, and another by myself and the dealer.

 

got the JCS jet click......now thats a quality product and would put my life in its hands! go out and see them both next to each other and you will soon realise which has had more time and quelity built into it!!

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So far robbo, you're the only one with the problem which puts you way in the minority.
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im the only one with a problem who has posted, i know 7 people who have had issues with this just from my area, just coz people dont post about thinggs not working, doesnt mean they dont.....i just find it a bit strange iwent through 3!! of these vortex mods, then fitted jet click not a prob at all.....like i sed put them next to each other and you will soon see which is designed and made to the better standard.

i personally dont like t-tech as a company, they have good ideas, but they seem to rush to get them out, have lil probs with them, have to do some adjusting and like with the lightening rod which had a fault, all had to be relaced upon customers request.

im only going from my personal experience.

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Well, by all means have your alleged 7 people get on the board and share their negative experiences.

I tried to replace the roller bearing in my Lightening Rod with the brass bushing that was sent to me for free.  I ended up mangling the Lightening Rod because I didn't have the right tools.  Todd from TechT sent me a brand new Lightening Rod with the brass bushing installed at no cost to me.  They are no 'fly-by-night' company that will just take your money and run. 

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so how come they refused to refund me for my vortex? 3 of them, i had proof from friends and dealership it was not working, but still no refund, so i lost out £90! trying to give them the benifit of the doubt.

im not on about jsut you with the lightening rod, in general there was a default on them and had to be replaced, there should have been extensive testing done before it was released.

ill i am stating is my experience with the vortex mod, and compairing the vortex to the jet click, jet click wins hands down, have you seen the jet click?......all the extra lil details the brass bushings for the ratchet to turn on, the easyness of dropping the pin connecting the piston to the ratchet....non of this hammering in a pin difficulties or trimming springs, that is impossible to get back out without destroying everything....the jet click is by far superior, i have used both.....



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