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Do you truely want "Rationed" Heath Care |
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oldsoldier 
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Under these proposals we all get free health care, but the quality will be suspect. Do we actually believe that their will not be a two tiered system, one for those that can pay, and one that will be free. And take a wild guess where the better Doctors will prefere to work thier trade, treating Joe Trailer Park for a set fee or Congresswoman Hillary/Edwards/Obama for a substantial amount more.
Supply and demand, too few Doctors, too many patients, limited funding from the Government will lead to rationing of "Free Health Care", simple free market economics. Lets see I can do three "free Health care" appondectomys at a set free of $1500 each and a whole day (production line styled), or operate on one paying customer or congressperson for $6000 and hit the Golf Course by 1400, tough choice. I do find it strange that Canada, Cuba, and other Socialized medical communities have had trouble finding "cures" for illness, yet our free market health care community routinely developes the drugs and cures. It is called PROFIT INCENTIVE. Sit in Germany, have your one coupon for one Novacaine injection and two cavities, cash or pain rationing, the future of American Free Healthcare. The Govenment can't even run the VA Medical System effectively with an estimnate of only 20,000,000 enrolled, lets try 360,000,000 for a real exercise in futility. Edited by oldsoldier - 03 August 2007 at 8:56am |
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stratoaxe
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Posted: 03 August 2007 at 9:16am |
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I'm perfectly happy with health care the way it is. However, I believe that the Democrats are actively addressing the issue, while the Republicans know the people don't want to hear what they have to propose, so they dodge the issue. |
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Posted: 03 August 2007 at 9:37am |
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its wicked easy to get free/cheap medical insurance in the USA. if you make under a certin amount you qualify for free health insurance, if your a student you can get CHEAP health insurance (under 10$ a month), if your under 36 and havent been a total screw up you can join the millatary. they give you a house and health insurance (but you have to see millatary doctors
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my job pays crap for health care. my buddy was telling me an 800$ a month policy the company would pay 200$ of that. my gf has good health insurance with her company but only has to pay 7$ a month (friends is a family plan gfs is single but im sure hers costs more than 28$ a month total) o yea. even if you dont have health insurance there are ways to get out of having to pay medical bills. low income, student, ect. this country gives away tons of stuff (money for starting a buisness, buying a house, paying bills) you just need to know where to look |
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Posted: 03 August 2007 at 9:42am |
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Let's see... Do I want: A - bad health care or B - no health care
hmm... bad health care, or no health care... bad care or no care... Boy, that's a tough one. |
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Posted: 03 August 2007 at 9:47am |
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^ never been to a navy "doctor" have you?
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Posted: 03 August 2007 at 9:48am |
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Again, just as Merc said, there is state sponsored medical assistance for low income families. Not to mention by law there's no responsibility to pay hospital bills...so...
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Boy is that oversimplified. So how do you explain the 45 million Americans without health care? Do you think they just forgot to show up? |
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Posted: 03 August 2007 at 10:15am |
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What percentage of the 45m are voluntary opt outs, or prefere thier DUB SUV and I-Pods in cost over healthcare. I personally do not pay for health care in cash, I earned my free health care, but too many here want it as a free gift from the government because theyn are not personally responsible enough to arrange it themselves.
I look in the want ads every day, there are jobs, with benifits if you actually wanted one. My industry is short @450,000 drivers paying a start of @$35,000 with benifits, but there is a sacrifice, you can not be home every night and a 40 hour work week, so too many today can not fathom that kind of sacrifice for the greater family good. Hey the military offers free health care for self and family, and retire and get free health care for life, oh... I forgot a sacrifice of self....sorry beyond the comprehension of most. |
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Posted: 03 August 2007 at 10:28am |
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I get free health insurance from my job, and it covers a ton of stuff, so I'm happy with my situation.
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Posted: 03 August 2007 at 11:23am |
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Translation: I don't know anything about the population of people without coverage. Therefore, instead of trying to find out, I will make unfounded smear statements about them.
"Free"? You mean, "paid for by taxes", I believe. Nobody is pushing "free" health care.
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Posted: 03 August 2007 at 11:24am |
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By "free" I assume you mean "included as part of my compensation". That job would pay more if healthcare wasn't included. |
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Posted: 03 August 2007 at 11:41am |
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Government exists to protect liberty, not to redistribute wealth or to grant special privileges. The lives and actions of people are their own responsibility, not the government's.
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Posted: 03 August 2007 at 11:46am |
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I think we could solve this if we just joined Canada.
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Posted: 03 August 2007 at 11:53am |
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Susan, as part of being full time, yes. But when I was part time I was payed the same sans healthcare benefits.
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Come on, didn't you know that when you don't have healthcare or a job it's because you're lazy? I mean, when OS was young everyone worked, everyone in his age group is a hardworking good ole' boy. I had seen just as many 50 and 60 year old good ole' boys out of work and in jail then I did these young adult punks running around. |
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if a 15 or 16 year old kid can get a job, then any adult can too. if an adult doesnt have a job, its because they are too picky, too lazy, or are already retired. |
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Not true at all. Getting a job with benefits isn't as easy as snapping your fingers. Just because you see a fast food restaurant handing out applications does not mean that everyone can get a job right now.
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If only the world was this simple, without variables. It is easy to judge others when not in said shoes. |
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Ok - since people appear to be determined to focus on the unemployment angle: A very sizeable chunk of those without healthcare coverage are NOT unemployed, but either self-employed or working for small companies that do not offer health insurance, and who simply cannot afford it. And, of course, that includes their children. Dental hygenists and dentist office receptionists, for instance, often do not have health care coverage. Most dentist practices are small businesses, and the cost of providing that benefit can be crushing. Similarly, MANY working people in rural areas, where businesses are often small family-owned shops, do not have health insurance. These are all hard-working folk, often in constructin/contractor businesses, and they do not have enough money to buy their own health insurance. Could some/many of these uncovered perhaps move someplace, learn a new skill, find new and better job? Probably. But clearly all cannot. The reality is that the way our economy works, these solutions just are not that easy.
And the, of course, we cannot forget that many of those not covered are children. I think we can all agree that we should not expect a toddler to get a job with health insurance. Are we really prepared to let children die because their hard-working parents don't have health insurance? |
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