I’m a Christian

evangelical christians freak me out

Edited by BooksAndLeaves - 05 September 2007 at 7:53am

You should look up Jesus Camp, I think thats what it's called.  It's on Google.

I got to talking about religion with a few friends... found out one of them got "kicked out" of her church cause she didn't pay her dues. 

i lol'd.

procarbinefreak wrote: I got to talking about religion with a few friends... found out one of them got "kicked out" of her church cause she didn't pay her dues.  i lol'd.

Sale of Indulgences anyone?

And about the kid thing. Thats what got me the most. They had these little kids preaching hardcore about how anything in the bible is true. Nothing that conflicts with the bible is true ect. I'm a Catholic and was raised as such, but I was never taught like that. Its literally brainwashing these little kids.

PaiNTbALLfReNzY wrote: Well the reason they do it (brainwashing the kids) is so they can get crazy religious freaks into authority roles in 20-30 years and then bring religion back to public schools. Who knows what else they will do.

As I said before, I am a Christian. But Religion does not belong in public schools. And if it does it should be on an equal tier.  If your going to teach about Christianity, you should teach about Judaism and Hinduism as well. IF your gonna touch Religion, teach all the major religions equally. I think that creationism should also be taught. But not like "God created everything". Its just another idea on how everything was created. I have seen no concrete evidence of God, though I have my beliefs. There is reason to believe in Evolution. Teach both equally.

Da Hui wrote:   I think that creationism should also be taught. But not like "God created everything". Its just another idea on how everything was created. I have seen no concrete evidence of God, though I have my beliefs. There is reason to believe in Evolution. Teach both equally.

Did somebody call my name?

My apologies for the minor hijack, but I can't help myself.

Evolution and creationism should NOT be taught "equally", because they are not equal.  One is a scientific theory, the other is a religious theory.

Evolution should be taught in science class, and creationism should be taught in religion class.  Somehow comparing the two or implying that they are similar is incorrect.

reifidom wrote: In other religious news: Nepal's state-run airline has sacrificed goats to appease the god of the sky and help ensure safe travel.

That's pretty good.  Check this out.

Main point below for those who are too lazy to browse/read the article:

Newsweek wrote: Aug. 20-27, 2007 issue - In one of history's more absurd acts of totalitarianism, China has banned Buddhist monks in Tibet from reincarnating without government permission.

Da Hui wrote: When I say equally, I mean time spent. Teaching Religion in a Science class would be foolish. As Religion is science. And (as far as my knowledge goes), there is no Religion class in Public High Schools. If you teach one and not the other, somebody from either side is going to complain.

Thought 1:  Evolution and creationism are not related.  It is not one or the other.  They are not opposing viewpoints.  They are not "sides".

Thought 2:  They don't have religion class in public high schools?  Reary?  That's silly.  People need to learn about religion.

Whether or not the teaching of evolution is "science" or "religion" depends on how it is taught. Since it has no solid scientific basis, teaching of the "big bang" method of origin as fact DOES cross over the line to religion. To be strictly scientific, since no one was there and there is now no way to measure or observe it, the base origin of life should be left out of education altogether if intelligent design is not going to be presented as one of the possibilities.

I'm fine with the teaching of long-term adaptation of species (evolution), natural selection, and other founded concepts, but the standard politics behind the "evolution push" DOES support a religious (or anti-religious as the case may be) platform. In many, many cases, the concepts of evolution have been hijacked by people with a political agenda who ARE using it as an opposed concept to creation.

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But in any case, to the original point of the thread...

Yes, a great deal of fundamentalist Christians are nutjobs. But to say it like that is not fair to reasonable Christians. In truth, you could take the "Christians" out of that sentence altogether and it would be equally true... A great deal of fundamentalist(s) are nutjobs. Christians, muslims, environmentalists, greedy capitalist pigs... There are a great many people out there who have taken their views and beliefs way too far. The people on the other side of the fence delight in pointing at these people and using them as excuses to discredit everyone with similar beliefs in an attempt to validate themselves, but all they truly succeed in doing is pushing themselves further down the road of blindness and ignorance.

This entire "they're brainwashing children" strain of conversation is idiocy. It's an attempt to pigeonhole an entire system of beliefs into one capsule that's easy to label and laugh at. The VAST majority of Christian children go to public school... And even those who are home schooled aren't "brainwashed"... That's a concept straight out of bad 1960's television serials and it makes massive assumptions, the worst of which being that all children are incapable of thinking for themselves and can be easily formed into exactly what the "hivemind" wants them to be. (Obviously concocted by people with very little actual experience with normal, independently minded young ones.)

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All of you, everywhere... No matter what your race or creed...

Stop labeling people. Stop assuming you know what a person thinks and believes, let alone the validity of their thoughts and beliefs, based on some pre-formed conclusion you've come to on "Republicans" or "Democrats" or whatever.

Treat and respect each individual as a person with a unique perspective... One you have far insufficient vision and reference to critique. If you disagree, fine. Recognize that you do, in fact, have the ability to be wrong and stop trying to "educate" people who don't see things the same way as you.

There is one universal, scientific truth... And that is that each of us represents 1 worldview of 6,000,000+ on this earth... 1 meager, ignorant perspective in a world full of lives we've never even interacted with. To conclude that you're anything more than a worker bee in the hive of mankind is to suffer from delusions of grandeur. To pretend you're something greater, something more, somehow wiser or superior to one in billions is to undermine your own ability to observe, reason, and conclude rightly.

Why couldn't God have just got the ball rolling for what we have today?