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Bunkered
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I think it's funny that everyone's mentioning Detroit too. I find that its dangers are overexaggerated by a lot of people, but that's if you stay in the main part of town. If you get down to the "bad areas," just stopping at a red light can be mildly threatening.
There are quite a few places where even the cops don't like to go. And if an armed police officer who can call for backup doesn't like the area, you can bet your ass I'd feel more comfortable packing. I'd still rather avoid those spots, even with a gun actually. |
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stratoaxe
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It's funny, everyone mentioning Detroit, I had to crank up Amityville. "This ain't Detroit, it's <> Hamburger Hill" Edited by stratoaxe - 10 September 2007 at 1:32pm |
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Man Bites Dog
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So, so much e-penis in this thread.
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Bunkered
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Really now? Because I used to live in Detroit, and there are some places in Detroit that if you're not afraid to be out at night there's something wrong with you. The 6 Mile and Livernois area is a pretty decent example. Not all of Detroit is the ghetto... When I turn 21 I will get my CCW. And I will carry. Why? Am I likely to need it? No. But it's my right, and one that I support. That, and I don't want to be kicking myself in the ass one day wishing I had a gun when some dude tries to jack me with a knife, or even unarmed. I wouldn't hesitate to pull it out on a guy who had no weapon in his hand but was behaving threateningly/intimidatingly. For me, the question isn't "Why have a gun on you," it's "Why not have a gun on you?" I guess the Boy Scouts motto of "Always be prepared" just doesn't stick for some people. Edited by Bunkered - 10 September 2007 at 1:46am |
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Bunkered
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A cop isn't just going to shoot you for having a gun in your hand either. If you start to point it at them, that's when you get shot. They'll offer you an opportunity to put it down first (unless they get too trigger-happy, which has happened in the past). Oh, btw... 25 feet with my Buck knife isn't a safe distance. It's not very hard to throw if you've done it before. |
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DeTrevni
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You killed it. You took it out back, shot it in the foot, and tried to throw it in the lake to drown, but it died of blood loss instead. It's dead.
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Ben Dover II
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We get it, you have a gun.
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Susan Storm
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You are still taking too tactical of an interpretation. My point has nothing to do with how fast you can kill with one weapon or the other. I am addressing the situations where weapons are out. Look at it from a LEO perspective, for instance. Say you have drawn down on an arrestee who is wielding a knife, but who is 25 feet away from anybody, and is not moving towards anybody. The cops will not shoot under this circumstance, because they know that they will have some warning before he becomes deadly. If he starts to move towards somebody they may shoot, but not before. If he has a gun pointed at somebody, however, it is drop the gun or the cops open fire. It has nothing to do with the effectiveness of the weapon, but its capability of causing death without warning at any range under any circumstances. There is no "safe" gun. Once the gun is out, every situation is potentially deadly. |
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evillepaintball
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how much do you think the militia that we are fighting care about each other? also, the canadian military might be different, but our soldiers are taught to put a round in the head of fallen combatants as they walk past. something about geneva says you cant turn back to kill them or somethin like that. anyways, got that bit of info from two seperate soldiers i talked to about their basic training. |
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stratoaxe
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I used to carry a .44 Mag when I hunted, but my dad sold it a couple years back. Now that I'm 21 I may pick up another for hog hunting, not anytime soon though. Of course for grizzly I'd probably think along the lines of .454 Casull (sp?) or .500, or carry one of the Alaskan Copilot .457 WW Magnum lever action fold aways. Can you tell I'm paranoid of bear? Edited by stratoaxe - 07 September 2007 at 8:07pm |
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Mack
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QUOTE=Susan Storm]What I meant was that firearms alone are "instant death". . . [/QUOTE]
Not necessarily. Any weapon that is concealed has this potential. An individual with any concealed weapon that has also masked their intentions to perform violent deeds can easily achieve the "instant death" factor. The best defense is not CCW/CHL/CCP/whatever, the best defense is being alert and making intelligent decisions regarding where one goes and what one does.
Depends on where you go. I used to take one hiking/four-wheeling/mountain biking all the time just in case something decided that I looked like a tasty snack. Of course, I should have had something heavier than a .357 (like that Desert Eagle from a few pages back), if I ran into a grizzly, all I'd be doing is annoying it with warning shots. Edited by Mack - 07 September 2007 at 7:56pm |
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Susan Storm
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Kind of. I should clarify. What I meant was that firearms alone are "instant death". Swinging a sword or a bat takes half a second, and you also have to cover the distance to the target. Guns don't give warning. If somebody is across the room from you with a knife in his hand, but not moving in your direction, you have serious cause for concern, but you know that you will have a smidge of a warning before the violence commences, so you can temper your response. You can stand with your knife in hand and evaluate the situation. You are prepared for violence, but not forced into action. If somebody is across with room with a gun pointed at you, you have know way of knowing whether you will be dead in the next second or not, and you are essentially forced to proactively defend yourself. You no longer have the luxury of evaluation. My point was not about the relative tactical effectiveness of weapons at various distances or the damage they cause, but simply the unique ability of guns to cause instant violence without warning. This feature basically requires that everybody in the vincinity of the gun to take instant action, because they will not be given a warning when the killing begins. |
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Mack
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I actually had the benefit of a being in a career field that received both types of weapons training for the use of deadly force (military engagement and law enforcement), and neither listed warning shots as a viable option. The key word regarding warning shots was "never." In a situation where the OPFOR/perpetrator was not inclined to return fire, they may decide that they have no choice if they mistake the warning shot for coming under fire; in a situation where they are inclined to fire, it puts the individual firing the shots off-target. With this said, I think someone with more recent training (i.e. Dune) should tell us the policies/training he has to work under/received regarding this. I'm also curious about the training of other military members/LEOs regarding targeting. (Nuclear's headshot comment brought this up.) I'm assuming everyone is still trained to aim center of mass? |
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CarbineKid
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Actually he is correct. I will post the reason why latter(Im pressed for time now). |
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Horsepower
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Where did you get pistols from ? |
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Come Get Some ! |
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Susan Storm
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Spoken like a man who has never seen a John Woo movie. |
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stratoaxe
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Win. |
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brihard
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You wound an enemy, you remove three form the battlefield- it takes two to carry a casualty on a stretcher. you also cause a greater economic ahrm to the enemy, as they then have to care for the wounded. There's a good chance that a wound will result in a person not returning to combat any timesoon, if at all. Since the military almost never uses handguns anyway, whether you would use hollowpoints or not is a moot point. A pistol exists so you can fight your way to a rifle. |
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