OMG CCW!!11

Nuclear wrote: Dune wrote: Susan Storm wrote: Strato - wow, man, wow. I bow down to the complete ownage in this thread.  Very nicely done.  Most eloquent CCW thread evar. *slow clap* I have to agree, Strato definitely has the responsibility portion down that people with a CCW need. Although, Nuclear shows the ideals that some people that have or want a CCW possess. We need more of the former than the latter. Just for a point however, in reference to Nuclear's comment that "that sideways ghetto crap doesn't work like it does on television," you're actually quite wrong. Shooting from your weaker hand, many people, including myself, have been trained to shoot sideways to increase control. Not always ideal for accuracy; however, gun fights rarely occur outside of 7ft. No, just no, point and spray in what would most likely be a city is a big no no.

You might be surprised-"gangster" shooting is actually a way to disperse recoil through your wrist instead of straight upwards. It makes your ability to recover shots a little better.

Dune wrote: Susan Storm wrote: Strato - wow, man, wow. I bow down to the complete ownage in this thread.  Very nicely done.  Most eloquent CCW thread evar. *slow clap* I have to agree, Strato definitely has the responsibility portion down that people with a CCW need. Although, Nuclear shows the ideals that some people that have or want a CCW possess. We need more of the former than the latter. Just for a point however, in reference to Nuclear's comment that "that sideways ghetto crap doesn't work like it does on television," you're actually quite wrong. Shooting from your weaker hand, many people, including myself, have been trained to shoot sideways to increase control. Not always ideal for accuracy; however, gun fights rarely occur outside of 7ft.

No, just no, point and spray in what would most likely be a city is a big no no.

Susan Storm wrote: Strato - wow, man, wow. I bow down to the complete ownage in this thread.  Very nicely done.  Most eloquent CCW thread evar. *slow clap*

I have to agree, Strato definitely has the responsibility portion down that people with a CCW need. Although, Nuclear shows the ideals that some people that have or want a CCW possess. We need more of the former than the latter.

Just for a point however, in reference to Nuclear's comment that "that sideways ghetto crap doesn't work like it does on television," you're actually quite wrong. Shooting from your weaker hand, many people, including myself, have been trained to shoot sideways to increase control. Not always ideal for accuracy; however, gun fights rarely occur outside of 7ft.

Meh, I saw it coming, hence the title. You kind of accept the risk when you start a topic involving religion, politics, abortion, guns, or sniping around here - to nuclear

Edited by stratoaxe - 06 September 2007 at 6:19pm

Funny how this went from a thread about a new gun to a 7 page debate in no time.

why not use the edit button? Double posts make baby elephants cry.

I'm not trying to argue or make you look stupid man, but I just think that your ideas about CCW carry are kind of like sniping in paintball. While yes, you could excercise them, and you would be very wise to do so if the situation affords, in reality that situation would probably never exist. Most encounters are going to be at point blank range. Most people realize that if they're going to rob/assault a person, they need to do so in such a way that they can't fight back.

In a situation like this, the opposing party always has the upper hand. Even if you're carrying ten desert eagles, two of which are strapped to your testicles, and a grenade launcher in your ass.

I'd recommend everyone on here taking a self defense course that covers hand to hand combat before I'd recommend a CHL. It's your right to have one, but it's not always the most practical solution. There are other ways to defend yourself in a life or death situation besides a gun, and many times they're far superior.

 

Holy crap those are expensive...interesting though, cool design.

My only issue with that is the light grain bullet-an 85 grain bullet in a 9mm would have pretty low impact. Otherwise, cool find, never seen them before.

While on the topic of holes, you said you have hydroshocks, common defense, super mushroom.Have you ever heard of Extreme Shock ? 1 well placed round from a 9MM can drop a buffalo.It's pricey, but how often will you be using that thing on someone ?

It mushrooms likes crazy, yet disintegrates when it hits walls and other hard stuff I don't think it could go through a person, but it would do serious damage

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But why a warning shot? A warning shot in real life translates into a stray bullet ricochet that could kill an innocent person.

You have to take into consideration adrenaline again-most people, probably including myself, would be so overtaken by fear in a life threatening situation, they'd fumble trying to get to their weapon. A CCW isn't on your side like an officer's pistol-it's in a place that's concealable.

So let's say it's around your ankle. You look up, and somewhere around ten feet from you is a crazed crackhead with a switchblade. Bear in mind he's going to be covering ground quickly. There's no instant reaction time, your mind is going to stumble for a moment by the shock of the situation. Assuming you've trained your mind for this, you go for your ankle holster. Unstrapping it takes a tenth of a second or so, then you pull it. By this time the crackhead is almost on top of you, and you have to get a good aim going.

Tell me-where in this type of situation are you going to find time for warning shots, verbal deterrence, or what have you?

Of course, that's about as ideal as a situation gets. More than likely they'll just walk up to you, stab you, and take your gun and your wallet, leaving you to bleed to death in the street. Odds are in the average robbery/murder situation, you'd never have time to excercise strategy, and probably would never even get the thought process going to operate a gun.

That's why I say-if the window of oppurtunity is there, you take your shots. You don't stop until the crackhead is on the ground dead.