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Nuclear
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Ahh yes, getting a pistol is so easy, buy it waiting period, police chief checks it out and then some.
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stratoaxe
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The problem we're having with firearms in America has little to do with CHL's or gun registration-it's the general loose attitude towards guns we have. The problem doesn't come in when a law abiding citizen purchases a gun, it comes in when someone steals said gun, then sells it for crack. That gun then goes to some crack dealer, who sells it to same gangster kid, who then uses it in a drive by halfway across the country. Unfortunately, like in every issue in America, you see the two extremes of ignorance- People who know nothing of firearms, but only that they're evil weapons of mass destruction, and the primary source of America's crime problems People who nothing of firearms, but feel that through movies, books, games, the internet, family, or even ownership, they are experts and therefore qualified to carry the responsibility of a deadly weapon. There is a middle ground though, and there are lots of law abiding gun owners. I find it interesting that many people choose to own firearms, but hide them from their children and talk about them like they're poison. My dad taught me how to handle weapons at an incredibly early age-I had shot a wide variety of guns by twelve years old. My dad never had to lock away the guns in the attic-I understood the danger and responsibility of a gun, so I didn't bother them when mom or dad were away. Unfortunately through the ignorance of society, just like with sex, and political/moral issues, kids are being raised by the television, and the TV only shows the ugly, deadly side of guns. |
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carl_the_sniper
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Concerning the ccw point: Very valid point, one of the best brought up so far. I just have a problem with how easy it is to get a gun in America in comparison to Canada. Especially handguns which are very hard to get here and have strict rules on where they can be carried. It's not that the ccw program is bad, it teaches gun safety, but it still doesn't do a proper job of keeping the guns out of the hands of people who shouldn't have them. Also I have a problem with the fact that ccw's are for the sole purpose of killing people, in comparison to Canada, where our handgun program is geared towards hunting and target practice. |
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Most things could be deadly, including your vehicle. However, there is a distinct difference when you are speaking of firearms. |
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Nuclear
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Knife, brass knuckles, glass / glass knuckles, pipe, flapjack etc. All deadly, all hand-held. |
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evillepaintball
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Nuclear
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But not every gun murder was committed by a legally carrying person. Half of them were probably unregistered guns. |
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stratoaxe
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Because every legal gun in Canada is registered, if I'm correct. Federally, I don't believe that Americans are required to register their weapons, so that argument is void. And I'll add to that-gun registration has little to do with the argument of CHL. Edited by stratoaxe - 06 September 2007 at 4:18pm |
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Nuclear
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Never said their perfect, but people legally carrying don't go out everyday and say "gee, how many people should i shoot today ?" |
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carl_the_sniper
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That's why the argument is valid. |
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Dune
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Agreed. Nuclear seems to think that just because you have a CCW, you're exempt from doubt. In my experiences, I fear anyone carrying a weapon in a stressful situation. It doesn't matter if it's someone who is illegally carrying, or a civilian that took a class. I don't trust either and I will never trust either. |
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Susan Storm
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Ugh. |
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"No society can surely be flourishing and happy, of which the far greater part of the members are poor and miserable."
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DEA agent and a "glock 40" The video I posted is now famous on how not to handle a firearm. The person in it is a "highly trained" DEA agent who discharges a Glock in a classroom. The average officer does not get that much training to begin with. EDITED to add: This video was on the nightly news...its clean Edited by CarbineKid - 06 September 2007 at 4:09pm |
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stratoaxe
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How many of those American deaths involved a legal CHL? Bear in mind this discussion is about the legitimacy/need for a CHL. Nobody here would argue that we'd be better off if less criminals had handguns. But the idea that not allowing a law-abiding citizen to carry a gun would make a massive impact gun crimes is the idea that I'm trying to combat. I don't believe it would, and I don't think you'll see a lot of correlation when it comes to high crame rates and CHL's. And the idea that a full on gun ban would make matters any better is a folley as well, IMO. I believe that you'd see a temporary drop in crime as the ban was enforced, but like every other American law, as enforcement dropped, it's my prediction that the crime rates would rocket higher than before. I hate to bring this up, but look at Washington D.C. |
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Susan Storm
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I strongly encourage Nuclear and NC1004 to read strato's post in its entirety.
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Nuclear
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I don't really get how the number of deaths/ murders we have relates to people legally carrying a gun ?
Edited by Nuclear - 06 September 2007 at 4:06pm |
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carl_the_sniper
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Assaults and sexual assaults have nothing to do with the point that I had brought up. I mean... I could just as easily change it even more to show total crimes: Canada: 75 per 1000 people United States: 80 per 1000 people But... what does that have to do with this debate? ...Nothing But here's something that does contribute to ccw's specifically: United States: 0.40577 deaths by handgun per 1 million people Canada: 0.0304832 deaths by handgun per 1 million people That's over 13 times the deaths. |
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NC1004
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me, i "carry around" a .44 mag revolver. i like the fact that u can carrya weapon if u want to in america. by saying carry around, i dont mean that i have it strapped to me when i go food shopping or to get clothes. i keep it in my car. i keep it on me when i walk thru the city
Edited by NC1004 - 06 September 2007 at 4:04pm |
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Nuclear
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I'm not going to read the debate, but i will say this (listen you stupid anti-gun canucks) A person who HAS a CCW and is LEGALLY carrying is fine, you think that because people can carry that we have more murders? Are you that stupid ? And if you take away guns, people will just kill people with knifes and such, and the gun market will become similar to the drug market, illegal and dangerous.
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