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I have to back Nuke on that. I am left handed, and I think all left handed people are ambidextrous to a certain degree, because most things are designed in a way to be used right handed. |
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Wrong. You do not shoot to kill, you shoot to STOP. If you go into court and testify that you shot somebody to kill them, you're stringing yourself up for a murder charge. Edited by StormyKnight - 07 September 2007 at 5:09am |
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I'm a lefty and I learned Bass with my Right Hand, well... I do everything right handed except throw, bat, and eat. |
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stratoaxe
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I'd say stop and kill are pretty interchangeable words in this discussion. As I said before, I'm no expert, but a double tap to the chest with the right ammunition will take down just about anybody, but you stand a good chance of a lethal hit to a vital organ-namely your lungs. Bullets are made to kill, so in technicality (and in court), anytime you fire one or more into a person, you've shot to kill. Of course, you're absolutely right, you never give the impression of premeditated murder. That's what the court's going to try and throw at you in any case like this-they'll do their best to prove you could have prevented/avoided the escalation, or that you were itching to shoot somebody in the first place. I'd caution alot of the younger people on my side of the debate to be careful-you go around talking smack about your .44 tucking in your truck, and how you're ready and willing to kill if necessary, and those words will come back to haunt you if you ever use lethal force against another human being. When you kill in self-defense, you walk the line of murder the whole way. |
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Hey they make sights for all you guys who shoot gangsta style. I never shoot limp wristed...it causes too many failures...especially in certain models(Glock) |
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Susan Storm
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I'm going to have to call shens on your legal theory there... |
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I believe the not shooting to kill things is actually more for the Military, its stupid i think they say you shoot to remove them from the battlefield, but if they live they heal and come back.If i made the decision on that matter, they would be shooting some nice hollow points. |
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You wound an enemy, you remove three form the battlefield- it takes two to carry a casualty on a stretcher. you also cause a greater economic ahrm to the enemy, as they then have to care for the wounded. There's a good chance that a wound will result in a person not returning to combat any timesoon, if at all. Since the military almost never uses handguns anyway, whether you would use hollowpoints or not is a moot point. A pistol exists so you can fight your way to a rifle. |
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stratoaxe
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Win. |
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Susan Storm
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Spoken like a man who has never seen a John Woo movie. |
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Where did you get pistols from ? |
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CarbineKid
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Actually he is correct. I will post the reason why latter(Im pressed for time now). |
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I actually had the benefit of a being in a career field that received both types of weapons training for the use of deadly force (military engagement and law enforcement), and neither listed warning shots as a viable option. The key word regarding warning shots was "never." In a situation where the OPFOR/perpetrator was not inclined to return fire, they may decide that they have no choice if they mistake the warning shot for coming under fire; in a situation where they are inclined to fire, it puts the individual firing the shots off-target. With this said, I think someone with more recent training (i.e. Dune) should tell us the policies/training he has to work under/received regarding this. I'm also curious about the training of other military members/LEOs regarding targeting. (Nuclear's headshot comment brought this up.) I'm assuming everyone is still trained to aim center of mass? |
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Susan Storm
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Kind of. I should clarify. What I meant was that firearms alone are "instant death". Swinging a sword or a bat takes half a second, and you also have to cover the distance to the target. Guns don't give warning. If somebody is across the room from you with a knife in his hand, but not moving in your direction, you have serious cause for concern, but you know that you will have a smidge of a warning before the violence commences, so you can temper your response. You can stand with your knife in hand and evaluate the situation. You are prepared for violence, but not forced into action. If somebody is across with room with a gun pointed at you, you have know way of knowing whether you will be dead in the next second or not, and you are essentially forced to proactively defend yourself. You no longer have the luxury of evaluation. My point was not about the relative tactical effectiveness of weapons at various distances or the damage they cause, but simply the unique ability of guns to cause instant violence without warning. This feature basically requires that everybody in the vincinity of the gun to take instant action, because they will not be given a warning when the killing begins. |
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Mack
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QUOTE=Susan Storm]What I meant was that firearms alone are "instant death". . . [/QUOTE]
Not necessarily. Any weapon that is concealed has this potential. An individual with any concealed weapon that has also masked their intentions to perform violent deeds can easily achieve the "instant death" factor. The best defense is not CCW/CHL/CCP/whatever, the best defense is being alert and making intelligent decisions regarding where one goes and what one does.
Depends on where you go. I used to take one hiking/four-wheeling/mountain biking all the time just in case something decided that I looked like a tasty snack. Of course, I should have had something heavier than a .357 (like that Desert Eagle from a few pages back), if I ran into a grizzly, all I'd be doing is annoying it with warning shots. Edited by Mack - 07 September 2007 at 7:56pm |
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stratoaxe
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I used to carry a .44 Mag when I hunted, but my dad sold it a couple years back. Now that I'm 21 I may pick up another for hog hunting, not anytime soon though. Of course for grizzly I'd probably think along the lines of .454 Casull (sp?) or .500, or carry one of the Alaskan Copilot .457 WW Magnum lever action fold aways. Can you tell I'm paranoid of bear? Edited by stratoaxe - 07 September 2007 at 8:07pm |
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evillepaintball
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how much do you think the militia that we are fighting care about each other? also, the canadian military might be different, but our soldiers are taught to put a round in the head of fallen combatants as they walk past. something about geneva says you cant turn back to kill them or somethin like that. anyways, got that bit of info from two seperate soldiers i talked to about their basic training. |
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