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carl_the_sniper
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That's why the argument is valid. |
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Nuclear
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Never said their perfect, but people legally carrying don't go out everyday and say "gee, how many people should i shoot today ?" |
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stratoaxe
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Because every legal gun in Canada is registered, if I'm correct. Federally, I don't believe that Americans are required to register their weapons, so that argument is void. And I'll add to that-gun registration has little to do with the argument of CHL. Edited by stratoaxe - 06 September 2007 at 4:18pm |
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Nuclear
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But not every gun murder was committed by a legally carrying person. Half of them were probably unregistered guns. |
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evillepaintball
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crossbow? |
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Nuclear
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Knife, brass knuckles, glass / glass knuckles, pipe, flapjack etc. All deadly, all hand-held. |
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Dune
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Most things could be deadly, including your vehicle. However, there is a distinct difference when you are speaking of firearms. |
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carl_the_sniper
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Concerning the ccw point: Very valid point, one of the best brought up so far. I just have a problem with how easy it is to get a gun in America in comparison to Canada. Especially handguns which are very hard to get here and have strict rules on where they can be carried. It's not that the ccw program is bad, it teaches gun safety, but it still doesn't do a proper job of keeping the guns out of the hands of people who shouldn't have them. Also I have a problem with the fact that ccw's are for the sole purpose of killing people, in comparison to Canada, where our handgun program is geared towards hunting and target practice. |
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stratoaxe
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The problem we're having with firearms in America has little to do with CHL's or gun registration-it's the general loose attitude towards guns we have. The problem doesn't come in when a law abiding citizen purchases a gun, it comes in when someone steals said gun, then sells it for crack. That gun then goes to some crack dealer, who sells it to same gangster kid, who then uses it in a drive by halfway across the country. Unfortunately, like in every issue in America, you see the two extremes of ignorance- People who know nothing of firearms, but only that they're evil weapons of mass destruction, and the primary source of America's crime problems People who nothing of firearms, but feel that through movies, books, games, the internet, family, or even ownership, they are experts and therefore qualified to carry the responsibility of a deadly weapon. There is a middle ground though, and there are lots of law abiding gun owners. I find it interesting that many people choose to own firearms, but hide them from their children and talk about them like they're poison. My dad taught me how to handle weapons at an incredibly early age-I had shot a wide variety of guns by twelve years old. My dad never had to lock away the guns in the attic-I understood the danger and responsibility of a gun, so I didn't bother them when mom or dad were away. Unfortunately through the ignorance of society, just like with sex, and political/moral issues, kids are being raised by the television, and the TV only shows the ugly, deadly side of guns. |
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Nuclear
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Ahh yes, getting a pistol is so easy, buy it waiting period, police chief checks it out and then some.
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evillepaintball
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you're leaving out a very specific detail that prevents your weapons from being valid. i'll let you figure it out. |
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carl_the_sniper
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carl_the_sniper
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I'm not sure if this was geared to me or not, so I will address it. 1)I have no problem with guns. 2)I have fired lots of guns. 3)Though I have no gun or gun license, I am trained in how to safely operate a range, gun and everything around it. I may own a gun someday... maybe even a handgun. But the only reason that I would buy it would be for fun, not protection. (though range shooting is sorta boring)
Were you being sarcastic? Because I really hope you weren't. Edited by carl_the_sniper - 06 September 2007 at 4:38pm |
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stratoaxe
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And I understand your concern with the American attitude toward CCW's (check my above post ). A CCW is by defination carrying a concealed weapon. The only reason you need to carry a concealed weapon on your person or in your vehicle is personal defense-which is a candy coated term for killing people. The CCW program was never designed to keep guns from criminals-really at it's core it ensures that those carrying weapons are A:) of legal age, B:) have some experience and very basic skills with their firearm, and C:) understand the consequences of using it. And the relatively heft fee (around 300 bucks when all is said in Texas) ensures that you're average street thug can't just run down and grab one. Of course it also ensures that those with criminal histories aren't toting firearms. The problem comes in when you blame the legal fix for the problem. The problem is illegal carry of weapons. Using the idea that very few murders have ever been committed by a civilian with a CHL, I can put forth the theory that people with CHL's tend to be responsible gun owners, and therefore should have the right to carry if they feel threatened by criminals. As long as there are illegal guns on the streets, there should be a legal way to carry a weapon. Even if it can't guarantee saving your life, it can add a mental deterrent to those who would commit a crime against you. |
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evillepaintball
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either way, there are many many more variables involved than just gun laws that influence crime rates. there's the issues of the many differing demographics, poverty, gangs, drug businesses, etc. My point is, that there are so many differences that affect crime between the two countries, that one can't reasonably explain the difference in murder rates on one single variable. In my opinion, this entire thread is void.
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stratoaxe
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But Canada doesn't have more legal guns per capita than the US. |
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Nuclear
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Projectile ? |
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Susan Storm
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Close second. Good call. |
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evillepaintball
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reread susan's post that i took the quote from |
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Nuclear
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Yes that was sarcasm, obtaining a handgun is not easy. |
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