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Susan Storm
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I have no opinion on Al Gore as a person, as I have never met the man. I have met his wife, however, and if that is any indication of how he is in person, then I tend to agree with you. |
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brihard
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I increasingly have to wonder if Susan is actually an alternate personality of mine that I'm simply not aware of.
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carl_the_sniper
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Al gore is a jackass susan .
I don't think we need to start into that again though Susan ftw by the way. |
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Susan Storm
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Win. The one thing that is true of EVERYBODY when drinking, IMO, is that they are always more impaired than they think they are. If you are truly a safer driver after a couple of drinks then that says more about your normal driving habits than anything else. Bunkered - please point to ONE study showing that there is no impairment to driving ability after a drink or two. Just one study. You quickly discover that you can't throw a rock without hitting a study saying the opposite. If driving after even just one or two drinks is not dangerous, then this must be another one of those giant conspiracy of scientists, like global warming and evolution. Because clearly some drunk kid in a car knows much better than those silly ignorant people who study this for a living. Red - field sobriety tests are silly, and in no way a meaningful test of impairment. If you can't walk in a straight line, you are so drunk I am surprised you even managed to start the car. The fact that legally drunk people can pass those tests means nothing. I will agree that all things are a matter of degree. Clearly the guy that had ten drinks is more dangerous than the guy that had one beer. But I refer back to brihard's point: Driving is dangerous under the best of circumstances. Dangerous to yourself and dangerous to others. To intentionally impair your ability to drive properly is beyond reckless - it is intentional public endangerment. Nobody "accidentally" drives drunk. Anybody who drives drunk had at least TWO chances that evening to be responsible, and on at least TWO separate occasions decided that their personal convenience and enjoyment was more important than public safety. And that is truly despicable. If you want to drive around toasted on the back 40, go nuts - I don't care. But if you are driving impaired on a public road, however deserted it is most of the time, you are still showing an astonishingly complete and intentional disregard for the lives of your fellow citizens. Despicable. |
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carl_the_sniper
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First thing, it was a joke. Secondly, terrible, ignorant stereotype. Most of our population lives in major cities in southern Canada where it is easy to find a cab. That's almost as bad as when styro asked me if it was night for half a year where I lived. I have never seen a wild bear in Canada. I have in the US though. |
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.357 Magnum
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Refer to sig for results of drunk driving...
edit: yes drunk driving does make pie rule. Edited by battlefreak - 07 December 2007 at 9:43pm |
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Bunkered
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Oh, and by the way. Yes, I'm better than you. That's exactly what I've been saying all along.
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Bunkered
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Not everyone I know.
And not just me individually. I believe there are people who can function just fine with alcohol in their system, it's just not the majority of people. I take issue with absolutes, which is what you're using. All and none are two key words that automatically prove you an idiot (not you personally). There are always exceptions to the general rule, and people just don't seem to understand that. "All drunk drivers are dangerous," is an example. "No one can safely operate a vehicle with alcohol in their system," is another. The problem with those is that anytime you use an absolute, someone already has or will prove you wrong. |
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.357 Magnum
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You just sound like you think everyone you know is a bad driver but you're some amazing godsend.
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Bunkered
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And what happens when you get kicked out of a party?
I've been kicked out of two parties. One was for banging on this girl's parents bed (after her drunk ass gave us permission to), and the other for turning off the lights trying to go to sleep. There are circumstances during which it is necessary to drive drunk, might as well have some practice beforehand I guess. I definately understand where people are coming from with the zero tolerance policy to drunk driving, but it seems that it is more fueled by emotion and stigmatisms from DARE and MADD. It terrifies me to think that some guy might be driving around with a .35 not paying attention to the road. But I would not go so far as to say that anyone who's had a beer or two is a serious public risk. Some people maybe, but to lump all into one category is incorrect. There's not a chance in hell I'll get in a few people's cars if they've even had a single drink, because they're bad drivers anyways. But if I'm sober enough to pass the field-sobriety tests, I see no reason not to drive. |
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procarbinefreak
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just make sure if you sleep in your car drunk, your keys are in the trunk, or in a locked gas cap.
if you have the keys on you, and a cop checks on you, you can get nailed with an intent to drive. |
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Bunkered
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So if I drink 5 beers over 3 hours (bringing it to 4 hours = 1 beer left in system), then wait an hour, I'm too drunk to drive home? BS.
The legal limit should be back to .1, where at least you can have one beer and be safe. Edited by Bunkered - 07 December 2007 at 8:25pm |
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.357 Magnum
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Well, the general rule is about 1 hour per drink. So you aren't doin much.
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Bunkered
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You can easily reach .08 (drunk, in the laws definition) by drinking one beer. I use the term "drunk" lightly. I've never driven when I considered myself drunk. I've driven buzzed, but the law makes no differentiation between the two. I'd say .15 is the most intoxicated I've been behind the wheel, and that's the outlier. Most of the time it's probably around .08 as I rarely drink more than 5 beers a night, and ALWAYS wait at least an hour after my last drink to drive. |
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brihard
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You've opened several other cans of worms with this one, and have made some good points, but you seem to be arguing that two wrongs make a right, or at least make the wrongs somehow lesser. They don't. Frankly I'd be perfectly fine with the limits being even tighter. I personally will not drive if I've had any alcohol at all; that way I can't try to rationalize or justify getting behind the wheel. I don't care if one jurisdiction has higher rates than another; that could be explained by any number of statistical or procedural reasons. It's all wrong in my book, and if that bothers people so be it. It's basic self discipline, really. I have no tolerance whatsoever for drunk drivers- they've crapped in their own bed; they can lie in it. |
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.357 Magnum
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As far a two sams, just wait a couple hours before driving. And if you're at a party just crash there overnight.
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rednekk98
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This thread makes it apparent that MADD has done an excellent job of stigmatizing drunk driving.
While talking to a CJ major, I decided to take the opportunity to ask more about field sobriety testing. The one test you absolutely cannot pass if you are impaired is the pen-light test where you are asked to follow the tip of a pen with an LED light with your eyes. As you reach the edges of your vision, your eye will involuntarily twitch. For me, as little as three lite beers will cause this to happen. Granted, this can theoretically impair one's ability to track a moving object on the extreme edges of one's peripheral vision. However, we let people drive who couldn't pass a field sobriety test stone sold sober. My Grandfather has glocoma(sp) and barely has the peripheral vision to drive at night. I'd be willing to wager that my reflexes and vision would exceed his even if I were close to .08 BAC. Say I go to a thanksgiving dinner and have two Sammy A's for desert and am not planning on driving home. If we eat late or BS and lose track of time(as we commonly do) they'd have to drive home in the dark. I could drive them and do a better job, and would probably get waved through a traffic stop if I were doing so. However, in the off chance that I had to do the roadside olympics(no doubt this would be done so as to appear to be fair to the others who were stopped) and got the pen-light test I'd be up sewage creek sans paddle. While as a general rule I avoid talking on the phone while driving, I may do so in an area with little traffic and good visibility on either side of the road during the school day when no retarded kiddies are chasing balls into the road. People drive impaired in all sorts of ways all the time. While the dragnet approach will certainly serve as a public spectacle and may act as a deterrent, radio and TV ads warning of increased police presence on the roads should have the same effect in addition to allocating resources in such a way as to target people driving dangerously. I'd rather get the actual medicine than the placebo. As for carl's earlier comments as to being Canadian and therefore caring more about life, Canada is statistically more full of drunks than the US, and I doubt that you can call a cab from every bar in the Yukon. In fact, you should have even more strict drunk-driving laws than the US since instead of killing an environmentally destructive human being you might seriously injure or kill an endangered bear or something. |
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carl_the_sniper
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Who said one beer? (besides susan)
You said drunk, that probably doesn't mean one beer. Seriously, I don't care how good of drunk driver you are or where you live, you are impairing your driving ability by driving drunk. Don't pretend like you will never crash, It can happen and it does happen. Do you think any of the people killed daily while drunk driving had planned on it or expected it? |
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