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Ilford Rule
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Posted: 24 December 2007 at 7:31pm |
i just got this sight (NcSTAR D4B). I really, really like it.
I have a question though. Will a direct hit to the lens destroy the sight? If so, does anyone know of a good way to protect it? |
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carl_the_sniper
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It really shouldn't
Those things are designed to take the recoil of real rifles. A paintball shouldn't come close to this. They are a pain in the ass to clean though. |
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Ceesman762
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a hit will more than likely knock it off your zero point.
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carl_the_sniper
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Probably not. Plus you don't need to sight it anyways really. |
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Ceesman762
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oh really? I know I am very new to paintball, but I do have those red dot optics on other things, if you hit it hard enough, say at the speed of a paintball, it will through of the point of aim. even if it is mounted to a Picatinny rail. care to tell me why? |
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Why what...? |
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Ceesman762
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why a direct hit on an optic won't disrupt it's point of aim and impact?
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Ilford Rule
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because its a reflex sight, and the point of aim is adjusted by adjusting where the laser/collimator projects the reticle onto the lens. but thanks, the relevant part was being told that a paintball impact won't damage the lens. unfortunately, I can't get it to sight quite properly. its mounted on the side of my marker, and I can't get the reticle far enough to the right (the bottom relative to the sight). i might try and find a way to shim it. any ideas?
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Ceesman762
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You may have to make your own and shim the bottom or the rail, not the optic or it's mount. You can find shim stock steel at home depot, hardware store, or a local sheet metal supplier. use 0.005" steel or brass.
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Ilford Rule
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thanks for the advice on shim material. ill look into some. what I might do is mill some weaver into the standard dovetail on my CPro, as i noticed the dovetail is the same size as the "dovetail" of a weaver rail. hopefully the linkage arm is deep enough inside for me to do this. id do this just because the elevation of the reticle isnt a big problem, but rather the side-to-side (windage i s'pose) alignment, which i find much harder to compensate for mentally. ive got a while to figure this out, the woods field i play at is closed for the next couple of weeks, so im playing indoors for now. with the pace of the indoor games, i dont bother with the sight.
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Ceesman762
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You may want to use your red dot like a shot gun mount. Rather than point of aimpoint of impact. Zero it so it hits an area, say 8-10 diameter at a given distance. How much have you adjusted your windage? is it maxed or do you stil have some play? When optics get mounted to a rifle or shotgun, bore sighting is involved. Without bore sighting, it is a lot shooting and adjusting. You might be able to find a bore sight kit (Walmart, Dick's sporting goods, Sport's Authority) that will fit into the muzzle of the barrel. One problem, $$$$$$. |
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carl_the_sniper
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You are realizing the problem of sights in paintball.
It can't be sighted accurately enough to be relied upon. |
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carl_the_sniper
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You are realizing the problem of sights in paintball.
It can't be sighted accurately enough to be relied upon. Not to mention though, you will not be able to see the path of the ball most of the time so you won't know if it is hitting a branch or something. Walking in your shots is the tried and true method of aiming. |
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Ilford Rule
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carl_the_sniper, thats not the issue. the problem is that because I have it mounted to the left side of the marker, even maxing the windage adjustments (which are actually the elevation adjustments because it's sideways) still leaves the reticle well away from the plane of the barrel. if it were top-mounted, I wouldn't have this issue, however I don't have the rail necessary to do that.
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Actually, they can; as long as the user remembers a few basic things:
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Ceesman762
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Ah there is one little flaw to that sight. It's designed to be mounted on the top of a reciever. I have some friends on other forums looking into side mounting it, please be aware that they are mounting it on AR 15's or M4's. It's more of a reflex sight than it is a true red dot optic. You can walk your shots and have enough view to see what else is going on in front of you/sight picture. does it allow to change to type of retical from dot to cross hairs?
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Should have four choices... small dot, large dot, cross hairs and dot-within-circle.
I had one just like it mounted on my AR15 for a short while... and I'll probably end up mounting it on the Ultimak rail of my M1 Carbine. Nice small, inexpensive sight. Handled the recoil of 5.56 just fine. I wouldn't say it's as nice as an EOTech or Aimpoint... not even comparible... but it does the job so long as you keep in mind how much you paid for it. As for protecting it from a paintball hit... not sure of an effective way. To be honest, I'd be less concerned with the actual lense and more concerned with goo getting into the internals. It's not an all-weather sight by any stretch. Impact-wise... it seems like it would easily handle any direct paintball hit. |
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Ilford Rule
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alright thanks. yeah, I paid 60 bucks, so im not too worried. maybe Ill eventually get an EOTech, but that would make my sight worth more than my marker . it is actually waterproof (according to the manufacturer ), but I still think I'll try to keep it clean. Its sealed up pretty nicely though.
I just got a flat top picatinny rail and mounted it to the 3/8" dovetail on the offset, and now the sight is in a perfect position. trouble is, because I have it to the side its only accurate in the horizontal plane at one distance. but its worth that minor inconvenience to have it mounted where it is, its in a very comfortable position, and im sure Ill quickly learn how much to compensate for the left-right direction. |
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Ceesman762
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Please post on how it works on your M1 carbine. I'd like to see how it handles. I had on one my AR and it worked great to 100 yards.
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ghille baller
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what u put that sight on a tippman 98 cause that sight is like so cool lookin man, betr than my old one... i think. |
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