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obnoxious
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Well then, perhaps someone should clarify on his point, rather than point it out because obviously I didn't figure it out the first time. |
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obnoxious
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This is pretty interesting.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20026801.900-when-doctors-battled-for-medical-beer.html?full=true |
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Tical3.0
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Excuse this posts if it doesn't fit in but 19 pages is too much to read and this post caught my eye. Now From the other posts I belive your reffering to "illegal" MJ which I highly doubt the goverment has there hands on. The goverment wouldn't drain all that money into the war on drugs just to turn around and get a cut from the drugs.
However I was watching this show on CNBC I think it was, where they interviewed a dispenserary(sp) owner I guess you would call him. One of the questions the lady asked the owner was how much does the goverment get out of the taxes or whatever. The owner replied something like anywhere from 300K to 600K a year just from that one place in cali. Now imagine all the "legal" dope shops across the country giving that much in taxes to the goverment a year... they are definetly banking some cash of MJ. |
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High Voltage
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That's state government in Cali though. Remember, in the eyes of the federal government, marijuana is still illegal no matter what name you give it. Then again who recalls all the DEA raids on the dispensaries? In those raids the federal government took the product (weed and edibles), patient info, and money. |
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choopie911
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At least those are (apparently) stopping. |
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FreeEnterprise
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http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2009-04-03-obama-town-hall-meeting_N.htm
Obama: Afghanistan a 'joint problem'
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Rambino
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Well, the mocking worked, and I just finished watching the thing on YouTube.
My summary above was spot-on, except that the movie works in some drug-concerns for banning as well (built around racism and fascism, of course).
The movie also has the normal dose of exaggeration, strawmen, celebrities and random people put forth as if they are experts, low-level flunkies declaring what goes on at the highest levels, rhetorical questions used in place of actual information, and so forth. Do I really care what Joe Rogan thinks of private prisons?
Good production values, but all in all it is just another piece of annoying propaganda.
So thanks for wasting my time, guys.
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Rambino
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Actual quote from the movie (as best I can recall):
Narrator: Can you think of any other medicine that offers as many benefits that marijuana does?
Some expert guy: (long pause) No.
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choopie911
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Hey I totally agree with you, but you shouldn't just believe everything anyone says in any medium. Have to take it with a grain of salt, just like I said about Zeitgeist...and any documentary like this ever. But it does get you thinking, and brings up some interesting points, which to me, is the point.
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Rambino
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That it does. My problem with bits like this is the presentation. Just make the argument and give me the facts and sources. I don't need to hear the political views of some stipper/stoner in Canada.
Ultimately, after 90ish minutes of movie, I still cannot identify a single actual argument made. As propaganda often does, it contradicted itself on numerous occasions, and otherwise took the standard shotgun approach. Was it arguing in favor of legalization of marijuana for medical use or for general use? Was it arguing in favor of more regulation of tobacco? Was it arguing against the privatization of the prison system? And so forth.
Disorganized random semi-arguments are powerful for conveying a sentiment, but ultimately do not actually make a supported point. I kept waiting for "A and B, therefore C." Didn't happen. Instead I got "here are a bunch of awesome things about MJ, and bunch of bad things about tobacco and politicians and drug companies. Oh yeah, and nuclear power is bad too. You figure it out." To me, that is not persuasive. Just annoying.
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In a way Rambino, I feel this is what our argument actually comes down to. You see medicinal marijuana as a sham because marijuana is trying to be marketed as any old pharmaceutical that would have to adhere to FDA level scrutiny. My entire argument is based off of basic tenents that would allow for the eventual legalization of marijuana in the United States. I posted that article earlier about "medical beer" and saw that the parallels between the situation then and the current one are more than uncanny. I fully agree with you that marijuana is not a legitimite "medicine" by our societial standards. I do, however, fully believe that it has therapuetic and medicinal properties that should not be prohibited from being fully utilized by the general population. I personally feel this starts with the patient community. Another distinction in our arguments lies in our views about prescriptions. Our most optimistic resolution seems to be the same: that marijuana will be legal and prescriptions will not be necessary, and that doctors would recommend or suggest its use rather. My stance on the fact that it is only being pushed in the medical field for sick people is that it is their only possible means of procuring it. You see this as a loophole. It is a matter of perspective. My inclinations tell me that we share more similarities in discourse than differences. I simply wish to push forward the medical marijuana agenda as a step towards general decriminalization, and dare I say, legalization. You see this is a farce, which I will acknowledge with sincerity is a perfectly grounded thing to say. I see it as progression. Edited by obnoxious - 03 April 2009 at 9:44pm |
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Tical3.0
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Darur
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I think you owe the entire documentary genre of film an apology for that implication . . . that was uncalled for
I could be wrong here, but I'm pretty sure the FDA and AMA don't support drugs for political reasons. I think they focus more on, I dunno, genuine medical use? Edited by Darur - 04 April 2009 at 8:21am |
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Bunkered
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Darur: If the FDA wasn't playing politics and blocking research, cannabis would not be a schedule 1 drug.
At worst it belongs in schedule 2, seeing as it does have some level of therepeutic value (how much is arguable). |
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Russell123
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I think governments that approve such bills don't care about their citizens and don't want their nation to be smart strong and move progress! everyone needs stupid people who are ready to buy anything! and they will continue to rule and sell us unnecessary things
Edited by Russell123 - 18 May 2020 at 5:14am |
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