Medical Marijuana

High Voltage wrote: I would like to hear your opinion on edibles and other non smoked forms of the drug.

Already stated in one of the first few pages of this thread.

Alright, whatever man, this must have been really important to you. haha. I'm checking out with pb on this one.

Taxing it past what it's already taxed by dealers would make it a retarded amount of money to buy the stuff. Which leads me to believe that alot of the people growing now wouldnt stop and just under sell the  government.  And I imagine ALOT of organized crime depends on the money they get from pot. Though I find it hard to believe http://bcmarijuanaparty.com/v2/node/25  this sites claims 10 billion a year in B.C.  going to organized crime because marijuana.

Edited by little devil - 01 April 2009 at 9:09am

I'm not advocating getting baked out of your brain, but your sources could use some critiquing.

FreeEnterprise wrote: I can't believe you guys are still fussing around about this... Guess it takes a ton of facts to get through the smoky haze you call "consciousness".   Here are some facts for you to burn through...   http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/141891.stm Smoking causes cancer? Welcome to 1960   I'm glad Sagan was mentioned... Since many doctors believe the disease he contracted came from his altered DNA caused by marijuana... Guess you bypassed that little diddy, huh, dopers.   "Researchers in America have found that blood from marijauna smokers has nearly three times as many DNA mutations as that of non-smokers. "   Also, I find it funny that you guys bring up Phelps... Who has had his endorsements (which is how you make money as an athlete) destroyed by ONE photo of him smoking pot... As for Phelps, it's illegal and stupid, but he's a phenominal athlete. If his advertisers want to drop him for being a bad influence on kids who buy wheaties, that's there call to make. But why the hell does A-Rod still have advertisers? Evidence for harmful effects of roids is stronger than MJ,(long term health & mental impairment, roid rage anyone?) is illegal and effects his performance.     Which once again proves the point... ITS ILLEGAL! Don't do it, unless you don't care if you ruin your future...   Woo Hoo!   Pot causes testicular cancer... That sounds great, huh! http://www.motleyhealth.com/articles/2009/02/marijuana-causes-testicular-cancer.html  this is one of the more convincing articles, and not just because of the target area   Whoo Hoo! Marijuana causes memory problems, and emotional problems for patients with MS. (who would have guessed...)   http://www.news-medical.net/?id=35331 this still appears to only effect the portion of the population with MS   Proof of this fact is evident by reading this thread...   Marijuana causes BRAIN DAMAGE. Whoo, Woot, your "retarded" from your last hit... (not "retarded as in bad, I'm just using the term like Obama did...) http://esciencenews.com/sources/science.alert/2008/06/04/marijuana.can.causes.brain.damage President Obama bashed the special olympics, but did not use the word "retarded". Beer and cigarettes also kill brain cells, and they're legal   High Potency Marijuana Causes Paranoia and Psychosis   http://ezinearticles.com/?High-Potency-Marijuana--Causes-Paranoia-and-Psychosis&id=1819067 This article shows correlation, not causation. It sounds like it is triggering episodes in people who were psychotic in the first place   Yeah! Marijuana causes mental illness, Whoot, Woo!   http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/news/20050503/federal-report-marijuana-causes-mental-illness?src=rss_foxnews At least read the whole headline. This may be politically driven, but I don't think even any of the hardcore potheads on this forum would argue in favor of people younger than 12 smoking.   Wow, Skin cancer caused by marijuana.   http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,291735,00.html The virus causes it, the MJ lowers your resitence to the virus.   Oh, Oh, Lead poisoning too. Yes, that is always fun! http://stanford.wellsphere.com/general-medicine-article/lead-in-marijuana-causes-poisoning/132302 Dealers are dirtbags, surprise, surprise. Have your children ever owned toys made in china?   Man, a party isn't a party until you get lead poison, and the following...   "Twenty patients were recently admitted to University Hospital Leipzig, Germany for the treatment of lead poisoning after smoking marijuana. Admissions occurred over a period of 3-4 months, and all of the patients were 16 to 33 years of age. One of the patient required abdominal surgery, one had severe mental changes as the result of encephalopathy (brain disease); accompanied by hallucinations. Primary symptoms included abdominal cramps, nausea, anemia, and fatigue. Another patient experienced permanent paralysis of the forearm. Investigation uncovered a common pattern among those treated – all were young, unemployed, or were students, and they all provided a history of smoking. Additionally, they all had body piercings; eventually admitting to smoking marijuana with a water pipe, or rolled into a joint." Here is some more "pot logic"... "Hey, there ain't lead in pot...  Your making stuff up free..."   "It took eight weeks to find the source of the problem - it seems that lead was deliberately added to the marijuana to increase the weight and street value by an estimated 10%. The lead, grayish in appearance, was not noticeable to the consumers."     http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=af2_1216060115

Since this is a medicinal thread, I would hope that any doctor would be able to weigh risks and benifits when prescribing MM to patients. Doctors prescribe meds with side effects all the time, some are more serious than these, and possibly more common, although data is not avilable.

As for the talk about legalization, the drug gangs in Mexico get 65%-70% of their revenue from pot, and I have to wonder about the severed feet that wash up in Canada. The repealing of prohibition certainly tuned down the gang-violence fuel by running booze, and my state of MA hasn't gone to hell in a handbasket since pot was decriminalized.

As a society we value the liberty that allows us to occasionally do dangerous things and generally seem to prefer trsuting the individual to make good choices. We can and shoot and own high capactiy, semi-automatic firearms that shoot bullets made out of toxic lead, or buy enough booze to kill ourselves. We can jump motorcycles over flaming schoolbusses, text/shave/drink coffee while driving etc. and if someone wants to try to outlaw stupidity we complain that it restricts our liberty. I don't see how you, or many other conservatives, can reconcile you allegedly conservative beliefs of a less-restrictive government while being for government restriction on a relativly harmless drug, gay marriage, and would support forcing children to learn intelligent design in school, which is inherintly a religous philosophy. That's right up there in my book with "liberals" being against killing convicted violent criminals and for killing unborn fetuses. I'm convinced that neither traditional conservatives or liberals have any regard for individual liberty and are more concerned with restricting things the opposing side likes to do.

I suspect I missed some of the discussion in the last 17 pages, but anyway:

Edited by Rambino - 01 April 2009 at 12:03pm

I like how FE just reads the title of some of the articles posted.

i lol'd at the lead poisoning one. 

Entirely different question.

Never heard of it.

Rambino wrote: Never heard of it.

Thanks for reading my posts then jerk, I linked to it a couple pages ago. And the dude up there has a point. As I already explained, marinol simply isn't a suitable alternative.

You Wont See Me wrote: obnoxious wrote:   Shouldn't the patient be able to medicate himself as he wishes...? No, that's why we have doctors and prescriptions.

Doctors are there for suggestions, not to enforce upon you what to do.

Besides that, medical marijuana is prescribed.


Edited by Glassjaw - 01 April 2009 at 9:38pm