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Dumbest "debate" since Obama took office...

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    Posted: 20 May 2009 at 7:38pm
Closing Gitmo and where to put the "detainees".....Seriously, who really thinks we couldn't securely lock these people up on one of our federal supermax prisons in such a way that they would have basically no impact on the prison, much less the community, around them? We are the best at locking people up! We have some of the sickest cult leaders and serial killers in the world locked up in our prisons, along with the other million or so prisoners of varying hardcoreedness.....I have not doubt at all we could handle these people. I mean, seriously, they're basically either Middle Eastern hilljacks with their own brand of ignorant hate and religious zeal or old men who like to send those hilljacks out to blow themselves up for their 'cause'.....Also, NO ONE IS SAYING THAT ANY OF THEM WOULD BE RELEASED INTO THE UNITED STATES.....christ......

I can understand if Congress didn't want to fund a program that hasn't been planned well and laid out before them, not that they don't do that on a fairly regular basis, but the rest of their howling is just stupid......I also understand that they are just representing the scared silly NIMBYs in their districts, but one of the jobs a leader must do sometimes is educate the people that they lead.....I don't think that people who are smart enough to make it to the highest levels of government really believe the crap they're supposedly worried about, but they need to pass down some calming common sense to their constituents so they can stop being panicked idiots by proxy.....

If you haven't been following, here's a link:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/21/us/politics/21detain.html?partner=rss&emc=rss

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Edited by .Ryan - 20 May 2009 at 7:57pm

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Because at Gitmo they are out of sight out of mind for people.
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I think the real issue is that it looks like President Obama made the promise that he'd close Gitmo without a real plan in mind. Not being able to say "Okay, here's what we're gonna do" left people to draw their own conclusions.

Instead of giving us a blueprint, he gave us a bumper sticker.
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But that's not what they're saying.....Not to mention they passed a separate declaration from the funding bill that said, "no detainees may be held inside the United States"....I wish I could just call this stupid political crap, but it's bipartisan idiocy....

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Bipartisan idiocy covers a lot of what has happened in the last 6 months.
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Originally posted by Reb Cpl Reb Cpl wrote:

I think the real issue is that it looks like President Obama made the promise that he'd close Gitmo without a real plan in mind. Not being able to say "Okay, here's what we're gonna do" left people to draw their own conclusions.

Instead of giving us a blueprint, he gave us a bumper sticker.
 
I suspect he didn't imagine it would be this hard to find a home for a handful of prisoners, and found out the hard way - my theory.
 
Anyway, the dumbest debate is clearly the whole dog business, but politically speaking this one is really silly.
 
The Daily Show mirrored ryan's sentiment well:
 
 

"E Pluribus Unum" does not mean "Every man for himself".

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Bring them to AZ, we will put them in tent city.
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Originally posted by IMPULS3. IMPULS3. wrote:

Bring them to AZ, we will put them in tent city.
 
You will put the Arab prisoners in a tent-camp in the desert?   Hmm...

"E Pluribus Unum" does not mean "Every man for himself".

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Well, most of them probably aren't used to it anymore...Plus, they'd be a lot less illogically scary in pink undies....lol...

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Originally posted by Peter Parker Peter Parker wrote:

Originally posted by IMPULS3. IMPULS3. wrote:

Bring them to AZ, we will put them in tent city.
 
You will put the Arab prisoners in a tent-camp in the desert?   Hmm...


Ok ok, so they might be use to the heat...... so what.
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Originally posted by Peter Parker Peter Parker wrote:

The Daily Show mirrored ryan's sentiment well:
 
 


I saw that earlier.

I loled @ "Their not warlocks."


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I always thought there was a semantics reason.

If they are held captive in another country, they are detainees.

If they are held captive in our country they are Prisoners of War... which is frowned upon.
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i dunno, the debate around torture might beat it for "dumbniss" 
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Originally posted by FROG MAN FROG MAN wrote:

i dunno, the debate around torture might beat it for "dumbniss"


God I hope that's intentional.
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Originally posted by agentwhale007 agentwhale007 wrote:



I loled @ "Their not warlocks."
 
Way to go, editor-boy...
 
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Originally posted by Peter Parker Peter Parker wrote:

Originally posted by agentwhale007 agentwhale007 wrote:



I loled @ "Their not warlocks."
 
Way to go, editor-boy...
 
:)
 
 
I'm glad someone pointed it out.

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Originally posted by Monk Monk wrote:

I always thought there was a semantics reason.

If they are held captive in another country, they are detainees.

If they are held captive in our country they are Prisoners of War... which is frowned upon.


That's the impression I was under as well.
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Originally posted by choopie911 choopie911 wrote:

Originally posted by FROG MAN FROG MAN wrote:

i dunno, the debate around torture might beat it for "dumbniss"


God I hope that's intentional.


the quotes weren't enough?
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Originally posted by Monk Monk wrote:

I always thought there was a semantics reason.If they are held captive in another country, they are detainees. If they are held captive in our country they are Prisoners of War... which is frowned upon.
Actually no, these "detainees" cannot classified as prisoners of war becaues they do not meet the criteria for that classification required by the third geneva convention. They are instead classified as unlawful/enemy combatants.


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