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    Posted: 21 November 2011 at 6:25pm
We had a customer come in with the same issues as listed, namely, chopping paintballs.  After looking at everything, we finally discovered that the gears that came stock in the cyclone feed were manufactured incorrectly.  They were off by just a few millimeters, but that was causing the paintballs to roll back into the cyclone feed and thus chop paint.  We compared the position of the paddles with the stock gears and with a TechT Vortex Mod.  We have informed Tippmann about our findings including pictures.
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I have Double Stack Squeeshy Paddles and have NEVER had a single issue with the product in either of my A5's.
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Originally posted by Yogi Yogi wrote:

Hey guys, I found a nice Video about a "Cyclon Feed Chopping" analyses which sounds a little bit like my own story !

PART1 = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-n-SKeRGgDI
PART2 = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLCymT8lrdc

It seems to me, that in some marker settings such things like a Tech-Bolt and/or "Cyclon Feed Tuning parts" like "Squeeze paddle" can cause more problems instead of fix them ! Like an overrotating of the paddles !

So my personal opinion is, don´t put your hands on this parts !
Ok my problem goes one step futher at the moment. I still have the problem with stock parts...
To be continued



Yes totally agree with you, I still have this under rotation problem, its nothing to do with the marker, it the cyclone itself.

If you rotate they cyclone by hand  it will miss alighn the paddles after a couple of cycles, if you take the top set of paddles of its fine so my concluesion is that the top set is fouling on the cyclone body.I think this may be due to too much play in paddle shaft. If Tippmann made the bottom of the cyclone thicker it would support the shaft better and may eliminate alot of cyclone problems maybe

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Hey guys, I found a nice Video about a "Cyclon Feed Chopping" analyses which sounds a little bit like my own story !

PART1 = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-n-SKeRGgDI
PART2 = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLCymT8lrdc

It seems to me, that in some marker settings such things like a Tech-Bolt and/or "Cyclon Feed Tuning parts" like "Squeeze paddle" can cause more problems instead of fix them ! Like an overrotating of the paddles !

So my personal opinion is, don´t put your hands on this parts !
Ok my problem goes one step futher at the moment. I still have the problem with stock parts...
To be continued




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I can understand your frustration !
I see the same way! Why should I buy any paddles or make other modifications to achieve just what the marker should be made ​​available from the factory!?

I sent the marker back to the technicians of the shop where I bought it.
The technician told me, that he also had the suspicion that the ball is choped because of to low pressure at the cyclone feed. 

He now has increased the controlpressure of the CF a little bit. He said if that does not help he would need to check my HP system if the regulator always deliver a constant pressure. I have an old 200 bar HP system, so i will change my actually 300 HP System ( Ninja Regulator) on the next matchday if my X7P still chop the paintballs .
If the problem persists, then it seems to be a problem in the Tippmann technology of the X7P !
But, others have no problems with the X7P so I hope that the problem is solvable.

Fingers crossed.... Confused

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Hi
well i just got my phenom 2 weeks ago and all i have to say is this
i will never again buy a tippman product
it breaks paint ! ok i know what you going to say , did you try this and that new paint, the bolt,new paddels
yes i did try everthing and more. now it still breaks paint all i can do now is try to sell it as a used marker but i feel bad for trying to sell pice of junk to other paintball palyer oh and yes its not just my marker
my friend got one at the same time and guess what ... its just as bad
ive been playing paintball for 4 years and i did try many  markers in my time i do have 98 custom  a5  and few others  non tippman markers and the tippmann products always i mean every singel one of them have some sort of a problem wich yas you can fix after spending some money on after market part but why should you ?
my advice for phenom owners
try to get your money back and dont ever buy tippman again




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Still the same problem! I think now it may have nothing to do with sharp edges. It seems to me rather as if the CyclonFeed-system is not "fast enough" or completely get the balls into the loading chamber before the bolt travels forward! I will send in now my X7P and hope the technician can resolve the issues . Cry

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Thanks for the note, I have found a sharp edge and ground off. I'll have to test in the field when I play again.
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The TechT bolt is longer than the standard bolt, this can cause feeding problems, go back to your standard bolt and make sure there are no burrs on the tip.
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Hi folks,
here is a X7P customer from Germany.

A couple of weeks I had my first BigGame in Poland where you can play in full automatic mode. ( in Germany it isn´t allowed )
What should I tell you ... I had a ball break every 30-40 shots !

Locally was an experienced Tippmann technician who has tried to fix the problem. We changed the whole Flex-Valve system and he still tinkered around with some parts. At this time I already used the squishy paddles, and even the Techt MRT Bolt !!

The technician said that the squishy paddle is not really intended for the X7 Phenom and I should first build back all parts to the original one. Of course, I had not all parts in place. Now I have everything dismantled. Tonight I'm going to check the edges of the standard bold. Perhaps there is indeed a cause.

But slowly I am afraid that the purchasing decision for the X7P was a mistake!

And I not really want to accept the statement about the paint ! Finally, you have to play the paint is offered in the field and the other guys also do not have these problems with it.


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Hello Guys I Read All the things that you guys talked about and brought up and I\m kinda nervous to buy a Tippmann X7 Phenom now after seeing this, Which one should I buy? 

Tippmann 98 Custom Pro Platinum
Tippmann A-5
Tippmann X7
Proto Rail 2011

Which one will not have the most problems and will Fit in Woodsball and Speedball? Please, Any advice or Help would be appreciated!! 


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Hi,
I'm using squishy paddels, I have upgraded all my stock parts in the cyclone much better.
Hving problems at the mo with the balls jamming against the metal arm in the cylone, time for another strip down. Thinking of getting another feed system as the cyclone has its problems but, wil stick with it for the mo.
 
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Hey guys. Good to hear that someone else is having the same troubles. I have sent my Phenom back to Tippmann 3 times now. They are amazingly fast and seem to be all about helping their customers, but have not been able to fix my ball breaking problems. The 3rd time, I insisted that they replace the gun with another. (I knew SOMETHING was wrong with my gun because my buddy has an identical setup and we shot the same paint side by side, mine broke 1 out of 20 balls and his broke none) I just shot it tonight. MUCH better. I shot almost a whole bag of 500 Spectrum paintballs and broke 10. Not bad, but still enough to leave you cleaning your barrell while the guy with the 98 custom snipes you off with his flatline. So I have not taken it apart to check the bolt yet but am incouraged to hear that this has been a solution for so many of you. I also plan to "pretend I'm a paintball" and check the entire path for burrs/sandable roughies.

Here are my questions:
If I see paint in my cyclone, does that mean that the cyclone is chopping or could it be blowback from the breach?
 
Also: Has anyone used squishy paddles (it makes sense to me) and are they an improvement?
 
Also: What IS the best paint? What paint does the Tippmann techs use? (because they told me that they ran 3 hoppers through it trying to get a break, it must be some really good paint)
 
Thanks!


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Originally posted by CooterShooter CooterShooter wrote:

Not trying to redirect any frustration toward you Hitman, but my Phenom set-up is listed above.  I'm not bashing Tippmann in this instance.  I am however expecting accountability beyond a set of pro Tippmann Homer Goggles that some may chose to have.  Customer service starts on many different levels, and not only at the point of contact from a dissatisfied party when a problem arrises - see Toyota.  From a world class organization, I would expect proactive measures to address flaws in a particular model or product.  Phenom being the case in point.  If you don't believe or understand this - see X7OG.com.  Under the Phenom threads you will find that there a great many of us whom are experiencing the same difficulties.  I have also just learned that the Flatline barrels do not match up with the Phenom and are creating breaks as well.  It is dissapointing that there has been nothing said about this and unknowing consumers like myself will continue to purchase Flatlines and will suffer the same frustrations as many others have.  Again, proactively addressing these issues would earn even more respect while also saving some face to the very loyal customer base that exists.  It is 100 times harder to gain confidence than it is to lose it.  I love my A5 and I love my X7.  I'm hoping that I will say as much about my Phenom some day...
You can talk about how fantastic Tippmann customer service is all day until you are blue in the face.  If you hear a dog barking behind you.  Are you going to wait until it bites you in the ass before you turn around?
 
Hay Dude,
Have you got your marker sorted yet?
Im new to PB and got a phenom, there are a few tips that I can give that I have done:
 
 Remove and clean the bolt and power tube, I noticed alot of flashing that haddent been removed from the main casings, on the bolt file the edges of the cutouts on the front of the bolt to make them smooth, clean the cyclone feed plug also, cleand the hole that it plugs into on the power tube this was full of flash, I also smoothed off the sharp edges of the bolt spring (just me being anal) clean the gas line as well, lightly re lube and put back together.
Turn up the velocity  and give it a go using a full tank (HPA 300 Bar) and watch the cyclone to see if it is feeding / working
Keep us posted
 
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If its still chopping try resetting the board back to factory
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I contacted Tippmann regarding the rough X7 bolt faces. Here's what they had to say:

Quote Although, we have only a few complaints come through regarding ball breakage on the Phenom, we
had noticed the same roughness on the bolt that you identified.  Thus,
we've added a tumbling process which eliminates the roughness.  We do
not believe this to be a significant quality issue, but if it comes up
again on the forum, suggest they call customer service and request a new
bolt, they will receive the new, smoother version.


If you're having success after smoothing the bolt yourself, stick with it. But if it continues it sounds like Tippmann has a fix available.
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I have not seen any yet, If i come across one i will post it here. Glad to hear you fixed ur gun! I Switched to RPS Premium after grinding my bolt. And i Have shot 10 cases though it and have not had one break!
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Yeah good to hear I'm not alone. What a dissapointment!!! 

Bought mine 2 weeks ago. I changed to Squishy paddles in feeder and even bought a new barrel. Found out after the 9th time of cleaning my marker full of paint that it was the front face of the bolt that kept breaking the balls. I found small burrs of aluminum on the front edges and face. Since that piece never comes in contact with anything metal and it's brand new, it could not have occurred during usage. Sure enough it breaks about every 10-15 shots. I was going crazy!

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Lost faith in having tippmann provide me with one and I shouldn't have to dremel a $500 marker. Ridiculous!

Are there any good after market bolts for the X7? 
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Help would be appreciated!
 
I used my phenom this weekend, it was 10* above freezing, paint was new and keept at room temperature (draxxus rec sport) Marker was chronoed to 275 using HPA all day and chopped 1 out of every 10 balls at best sometimes every 4 or 5. Tried different paint (3 different kinds in total including frostbite) yeilded no better resaults. Marker was cleaned and re lubed before I would try each new kind of paint.
I sanded the front of the bolt and that helped alot I only chopped about 1 in every 75-100 balls after that. The balls would go through the barrel with very little effort to blow them through so bore size I think is out. There was little to no paint that would go into the cyclone. Anyone have any suggestions as to what I can do to tame the chopping?
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