Hypocrisy (Warning--Health Care Thread)--updated

Or you can just have health insurance and then you pay for just yourself.  Problem solved.

I still don't think FE understands what the PPACA actually does.

Why outrage, the American people elected him... We get what we deserve. 

" with Chief Justice John Roberts, a Bush appointee, joining the liberal wing of the court to save the law."

Medicine and doctors visits don't cost that much.

That's the thing about medial insurance, when you NEED it you NEED it. hospital plans and chronic medication plans are the way to go. Suck up the bills and go off healthcare, but do NOT ever cancel hospital plans. If you think you can't afford them while you are healthy and earning try pay off the debts they will cover if you are invalid for a couple of months.....

KBK

mbro wrote: Mack wrote: I also think the "pass it now and pass the changes later" plan is setting us up for an enormous bait-and-switch.  There are some OK cost control measures in this bill but not enough. They really need to hash out a new bill later trying to move away from fee for care where doctors bill for absolutely everything and over test, that combined with tort reform, could dramatically lower health care costs.

Very good point about the relationship between over-testing and tort reform.  One of the main reasons for the excessive testing is the fear of being sued for stuff that might have been missed if not tested for.  (I had a very interesting discussion about this with a orthopedic surgeon before one of my back surgeries several years ago.)

FreeEnterprise wrote: Yeah, I'm going to attempt to look like less of an idiot by only spewing what fox tells me and then saying im not the only one who calls it obamacare

Mbro, thanks for the link.

Well it looks like it will be a straight vote as opposed to a deem and pass.  Good for them.  I think that if it passes this way it has a lot better chance of being accepted by the public.

Not to say that I still don't think this bill is a bad idea; when you have to show it's good for the deficit by balancing 6 years of benefits against 10 years of collection and stealing from Medicade (which is already short) there is no way the bill will reduce government spending.  But at least if it passes, it will be a legitimate vote.  I also think the "pass it now and pass the changes later" plan is setting us up for an enormous bait-and-switch.  Hopefully, I will be wrong on that.

There are still some amazing bribes and questionable spending left in the bill but, since this tends to be true of many bills, I will leave it to others to hash that out if they feel these are exceptionally onerous.

jmac3 wrote: FreeEnterprise wrote: See that is what bothers me to no end on this whole thing. Obama keeps claiming credit for this bill. He refers to "my bill" over and over. And yet he had nothing to do with it. FE wrote: Obamacare FE wrote: Abortion is covered in Obamacare FE wrote: She was pro choice, pro Obamacare FE wrote: Once Obamacare Passes

Mack wrote: So, the rules committee in the house is working on the rules prior to voting on health care tomorrow.  Link related to above. So, if they are voting on it tomorrow does anyone know where the latest version and potential changes are posted?

The original bill and the package of changes are linked to at the bottom of this page: http://www.opencongress.org/articles/view/1744-Setting-the-Rules


There may be some more changes if the rules committee allows a manager amendment so Pelosi can change a few things to get more votes.