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slackerr26 
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Mack
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FreeEnterprise
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Posted: 28 June 2012 at 9:02am |
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Only an hour away from the Supreme court ruling...
Tidbits that the media will ignore. Democrats are allowed to decide on cases that they worked on while writing said law...Clearly playing both sides of the fence... A republican would recuse themselves if they got put on the court, after working on the case before hand. Prediction, Media will spin massive Obamacare (wait, I was ridiculed for calling it obamacare... and yet, look at the headlines in two hours...) loss as actually the "choice of rich white people taking away the "healthcare rights" of the poor"... Also, will be interesting to watch mr. narcissist lash out that his namesake legislation is gone... I give him less than a week before he publicly loses it. I have a friend who is a single dad, his three daughters (all 18 or older) all live at home now, as they can't find decent work in our area, and they are all on his healthcare... It costs him $100 a paycheck (company matches so the real cost is $200 a paycheck). He voted for Obama, and his costs for healthcare have increased as well as the increase to add his kids (promised for free... whoops) is $2,600 a year just for his kids. (company pays the other $2,600, for a total of $5,200 to have his kids on his policy per year... Just for their insurance... He is planning on dropping them all off his plan as he can't afford the costs with the rising costs of food, gas, ect.
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Posted: 28 June 2012 at 10:30am |
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Medicine and doctors visits don't cost that much.
That's the thing about medial insurance, when you NEED it you NEED it. hospital plans and chronic medication plans are the way to go. Suck up the bills and go off healthcare, but do NOT ever cancel hospital plans. If you think you can't afford them while you are healthy and earning try pay off the debts they will cover if you are invalid for a couple of months..... KBK |
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Posted: 28 June 2012 at 11:10am |
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Innocence proves nothing
FUAC!!!!! |
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Posted: 28 June 2012 at 11:27am |
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with Chief Justice John Roberts, a Bush appointee, joining the liberal wing of the court to save the law."
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Posted: 28 June 2012 at 11:52am |
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And here comes the outrage...
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FreeEnterprise
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Posted: 28 June 2012 at 1:13pm |
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Why outrage, the American people elected him... We get what we deserve.
The single largest tax increase in the history of the world... AKA Obamacare. During the worst economic conditions of our lifetimes... Looks like BRILLIANT policy to run on for the next election! Who is he going to blame for the massive increase in costs on healthcare? What is funny is how Obama bragged about how Obamacare wasn't a tax, and yet, it was upheld AS A TAX. See title of the thread... |
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Posted: 28 June 2012 at 1:18pm |
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Sometimes people need to pay taxes to have nice things.
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Posted: 28 June 2012 at 1:57pm |
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I still don't think FE understands what the PPACA actually does.
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Posted: 28 June 2012 at 1:58pm |
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Fixed On a more serious note, I am about to offer another Mackstradamus prediction. I predict that many of the forum liberals (that reside in the U.S.) and many of the nation's other liberals are, courtesy of this decision, eventually going to learn the following lesson: The worst thing that can happen isn't always being denied what you wanted . . . sometimes it's being given what you wanted. Edited by Mack - 28 June 2012 at 2:08pm |
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evillepaintball
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Posted: 28 June 2012 at 2:06pm |
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Or you can just have health insurance and then you pay for just yourself. Problem solved.
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Posted: 28 June 2012 at 2:47pm |
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http://www.dailyfinance.com/2012/06/28/obamacare-upheld-how-health-care-reform-will-affect-your-wallet/
If this is an accurate representation of what is going on, then I don't see how it is a bad thing. |
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Posted: 28 June 2012 at 3:44pm |
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The decision genuinely surprised me. I would have bet large amounts of money on it being 5-4 against.
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Benjichang
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Posted: 28 June 2012 at 4:03pm |
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Still happens now anyway.
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Posted: 28 June 2012 at 4:38pm |
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I don't recall voting on the members of the Supreme Court.
Not quite. Granted, I've not gotten through the whole decision yet.
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Posted: 28 June 2012 at 7:38pm |
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I only heard bits and pieces as the day went on, but I was of the understanding that the Supreme Court did not uphold Obamacare by reviewing it and finding it legal. I thought they looked at it, and decided by design it qualifies as a tax so they don't have jurisdiction (for a lack of a better term) on regulating taxes.
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Face it guys, common sense is a form of wealth and we're surrounded by poverty.-Strato
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Linus
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Posted: 28 June 2012 at 7:55pm |
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It very much was upheld 'as a tax' in the opinions since Obama's lawyers couldn't decide if it was or wasn't during arguments and finally decided it was. Supreme Court said it can NOT fall under the "Commerce Clause", and that the federal government cannot force you to partake in commerce if you don't want to. The worrisome part is now, what CAN'T the feds force you to get with the guise of "if you don't, you'll be taxed"? Yeah... not really looking forward to the day where half my check is taken out in the form of taxes, like much of Europe. |
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agentwhale007
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Posted: 28 June 2012 at 7:57pm |
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I could very well be wrong, as I've not read the whole thing yet, but IIRC the "tax" comes from the ability of the law to levy a tax for those wishing to not partake in the insurance purchase mandate. It wasn't as much of treating the whole bill as a tax, but rather treating the opt-out mechanic of the bill as a tax for the purposes of determining constitutionality. Edited by agentwhale007 - 28 June 2012 at 7:59pm |
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