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StormyKnight 
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Did Missouri do it right? Should other states adopt similar measures as they did? Discuss...
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druid
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Posted: 26 November 2010 at 5:51am |
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I think they did/are. Perhaps if 5 million illegal aliens were deported, our national unemployment rate would go down.
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Posted: 26 November 2010 at 7:49am |
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Because we would have to hire new people to deport that many illegals?
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Posted: 26 November 2010 at 8:22am |
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Sounds like the laws actually adress an issue that I really didn't even think about. From my understanding, in our local school district, nearly 40% of the kids attending school here are on some sort of financial assistance, be it waving of school fees or subsidized lunches. All you have to do to qualify is fill out a form that states how much you make and how many people are living in your household. If these are the same standards used in states with large numbers of illegals, this seems like it could be a fairly substantial chunk of public assitance dollars going to those that may not be paying into the system via state income taxes/property taxes etc.
I give the measure a big ole
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Posted: 26 November 2010 at 8:37am |
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For once I will chime in on a political thread. Since this is an issue I actually have an opinion on.
 That is all.
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Posted: 26 November 2010 at 9:51am |
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The one thing I find interesting about immigration is this:
I can't think, off the top of my head, of any other area where state and local LEOs enforce federal law. In this case, I think it's good. I'm not sure that would always be the case, but I do wonder if some day, generations down the road, this will result in real changes in the structure of our government. |
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Posted: 26 November 2010 at 10:23am |
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Posted: 26 November 2010 at 11:11am |
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Local officers are granted extended jurisdiction all the time to work with/for the DEA, Marshals, etc. |
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Posted: 26 November 2010 at 11:35am |
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The "Official Language" stuff is silly, but the rest of it seems OK.
While it's nice to have legislation to deal with the problem of enforcement (And it seems like this did a better job than Arizona by not creating a legal loophole), it's still just a Band-Aid on a bullet-hole until we fix our immigration policy. But you all already know my thoughts on that.
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Why? Is it so unreasonable to expect people to speak the language of the nation they immigrate to*? I consider the secessionist issues Canada has faced with their dual-language/heritage issues and think this is a good idea. *Provided of course opportunity/support for the learning of this language is provided for legal immigrants. |
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Posted: 26 November 2010 at 1:44pm |
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Yep, and they can serve federal warrants. Which is still different than enforcing federal laws. |
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Posted: 26 November 2010 at 2:58pm |
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Funny, I know several people born inside the US, so they are US citizens, whose first language was not English.
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Posted: 26 November 2010 at 3:08pm |
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Posted: 26 November 2010 at 11:30pm |
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Agreed. Not to trivialize the point, but I dream of a day when I dial a technical response number and not be prompted to dial '1' for English.
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You live in a "melting pot"
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Posted: 27 November 2010 at 1:33am |
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There are a whole lot of reasons to say English is the official language of government.
I'm sure the cost of doing business in multiple languages is vastly more expensive. |
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Posted: 27 November 2010 at 11:09am |
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No, designing and printing in multiple languages is though. It means you have to have a set of people who can both create documents in another language, and then read filled out documents in that language, and the likelihood is that those people can't do both jobs at the same time.
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Posted: 27 November 2010 at 5:39pm |
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I agree with it for the most part. I'll address the part I agree with first, then on to the part that I don't understand.
As far as the language goes, I don't think anyone should be able to demand that they are provided bilingual services in a legal sense. However, as far as the free market goes, which is the true law in the U.S., they can, do, and will continue to demand it. If businesses want to keep up and profit, they'll provide that service. While some things are great in principle, that don't do so well on paper. For instance, I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO PRESS 1 TO SPEAK ENGLISH GAD DANGIT sounds okay as a Facebook status, but if you're running a business, taking away the touch tone language option could mean a good amount of business lost. So this is certainly a case where the law means little in comparison to the market.
As for the police checking for immigration status, I actually have a question for the edu-ma-cated here on the forum. Isn't immigration a federal matter? If so, even if the police check the status of a suspect, there's no guarantee that the government will follow up on the report. In fact, and I don't feel like linking but it's out there, they've proven that they rarely do. So really, again sounds great in principle, but really only works to fill up county jails and waste legal system dollars.
Immigration is a funny issue. There are lots of small businesses that are American run but exist because of labor provided by illegal immigrants. America is a fairly restrictive place to run a small business if you play by the rules. Especially with rising minimum wage laws cutting down market competition to where you'll make more goofing off at a fast food restaurant than you will busting your ass working for a small business owner. Because of that, there are alot of businesses around here who wouldn't make anywhere near the profit if they were forced to hire legit.
So where there's a small hole in the economy created by those illegals, they could create an even larger hole if they were pulled out.
It's not about Americans not willing to do the labor, it's more about the standards that employers have to live up to legally. The employment field has to remain competitive just like the economic field, and when that element fades, small business owners are forced to make compromises.
I'm not saying that's religious, but it's how I see it. I could be dead wrong, but I think that this issue is more complicated than SPEAK ENGLISH OR GET OFF MAH DAMN LAWN.
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