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Freedom_Fighter ![]() Member ![]() Joined: 05 April 2009 Location: US Status: Offline Points: 3 |
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Im farely new to paintball and want to build a support marker out of my A5(lots of paint real fast) so high BPS and good gas system is key.
So i need to know what are good internals to use (bolts, valves, tubes, hammers), what i need for the gas system (expansion chambers, CO2 or HPA, regulators, drop forward, ect...), and which trigger system i should go with (response trigger, E-grip, ect...) Any input on good parts that you have experience with that can help me out would be good too. Thanks |
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Setup- Tippmann A5 w/ UMP shroud. Nothing fancy... yet.
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Mack ![]() Moderator Group ![]() ![]() Has no impulse! control Joined: 13 January 2004 Location: 2nd Circle Status: Offline Points: 9906 |
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Stick with the stock internals, add the largest hopper you can find (I think someone makes a 400 round one now) and add an e-grip. Barrel selection will be determined whether you will be doing close fire support (in which case I'd recommend a J&J) or supporting from farther back (in which case I'd recommend a Flatline).
The full auto provided by the e-grip will make keeping fire in a specific area a wee bit easier but there is no need to have the rate of fire maxed. A steady stream of paint at 6 bps will keep someone's head down as well as faster rates of fire. (Actually, I've provided support with mechanical semi; constant incoming fire will keep most peoples heads down at slower rates than you would expect.) The slower rates also make your paint last longer. |
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for range i would go for a flatline, but with an e-grip set at a high ROF, the balls will break inside the barrel because friction will slow the speed they leave the barrel than when they enter, and the balls will have a higher chance of hitting each other in the barrel. thats what happened to my friend with his e-gripped flatlined A-5. when he put the stock grip back on and fired as fast as he could, everything was fine. i personally dont have an A-5, and if i did i wouldnt get the flatline because with how tippmann creates backspin causes the ball in the barrel to hit more areas in the barrel a lot more than normal(since it requires smaller bore balls to create backspin) thus decreasing accuracy. but if accuracy isnt as important to you, get the flatline and an e-grip set at about 6-8 balls per second. constant slow streams of paint on a target will keep them down much longer than a short fast rope of paint on the same target.
if youre going for closer range, then yes, get maybe a 14" barrel or so. with cosntant fire, get HPA. it wont freeze up at all when you shoot rapid streams of paint. if you want you could polish the internals which should reduce friction.
also what may be good news to you is opsgear makes a muzzle brake that increases the noise your marker makes, and people often stay down because it could be just you with a really fast but loud gun when they think there may be 3 or 4 people shooting a ton of paint.
for a hopper you could take the biggest hopper you can find, then cut some areas around the front and stick a pod there which should give you another 150 rounds or so (or you could buy a pinochio hopper(i think it's called) which is the same thing). for pods what you could do is you could go to special ops vest builder, buy as many of the biggest pod packs as you can, go to opsgear, buy the molle butt pack which should hold about 10 pods, and buy a small backpack or soemthing and fill it with pods. the vest should hold about 10 pods plus a tank if you want, the molle pack will hold another 10, and the backpack can hold up to about maybe another 10-20 pods. so you should have alot of paint so you run out of air before you run out of paint. another thing you could do is you could buy a tank pouch ont he same vest, then buy another tank pouch that hooks to your leg. have a remote coil on both tanks, so when one tank runs out you switch coils to a full tank. a 3000psi tank should give you about 1000 shots off or so, then a second tank would let you go through a case if youre wanting to put that much support fire down.
the pod thing is what i suggested to my friend, cause he wants to make a machine gun type marker then get a whole bunch of pods so he runs around the field giving people ammo when they run low inscenario games, or so he can lay down enough support fire to make himself broke within 5 minutes.
just some ideas with what you said you wanted to do...
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i stand by what i said.
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Mack ![]() Moderator Group ![]() ![]() Has no impulse! control Joined: 13 January 2004 Location: 2nd Circle Status: Offline Points: 9906 |
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Good for you, but it doesn't make you less wrong.
Edited by Mack - 09 April 2009 at 3:57pm |
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oldpbnoob ![]() Platinum Member ![]() ![]() Not old, Not noob. May be Dave's grandma Joined: 04 February 2008 Location: Yankee Stadium Status: Offline Points: 5676 |
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I would love to know what size 3k psi tank you have that will give you 1000shots on a Tippmann A5. If you go by the standard of 10 shots/ci on a 3k psi tank, you would have to have approx a 100ci tank. I hope you eat your Wheaties on the day you plan on playing. Especially is you plan on carrying around two of them... and a case of balls.
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paintballer19952 ![]() Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 April 2009 Location: usa Status: Offline Points: 24 |
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WOOOOSH WOOOSH WOOSH (SOUND U MAKE RUNNING THROUGH THE WOOD) EVERY ONE TURNS AND PAINTS YOUR BUTT
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formaly pb 1995
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StormyKnight ![]() Moderator Group ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 July 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3129 |
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That is incorrect. By that logic, wouldn't the following paintballs also slow down to the same speed as the ones before it? There would be no way the paintballs would collide inside the barrel.
I assume that your friend's Cyclone Feeder was stock, meaning no upgrades. When you have an Egrip firing above the 13-15bps (probably somewhere near 20bps) what your friend was experiencing was 'blender action'. If the bolt wasn't chopping the paint, it was breaking inside cyclone. To achieve a reliable high rate of fire, the Cyclone must be upgraded.
Hence the reason you don't know what you're talking about?
You don't need an Egrip to fire 6-8bps. That can be easily achieved with the stock trigger.
*Whups. Should have read the entire thread through before replying. Mack summed everything up rather well as always. Edited by StormyKnight - 11 April 2009 at 8:48am |
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StormyKnight ![]() Moderator Group ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 July 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3129 |
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I have two 114/3000 tanks that achieve around the 1000 shot range. I can't imagine carrying a spare one to swap out in the middle of the game. Those tanks are NOT small.
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Mack ![]() Moderator Group ![]() ![]() Has no impulse! control Joined: 13 January 2004 Location: 2nd Circle Status: Offline Points: 9906 |
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I thought so as well, but thanks for noticing. However, if you hadn't posted I wouldn't have had the opportunity to chuckle at the comment below.
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StormyKnight ![]() Moderator Group ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 July 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3129 |
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Well, I mulled over the punctuation on that particular sentence. Ending it with a period seemed kind of harsh. Ending it with a question mark didn't make it as bad, but lacked a certain seriousness. The exclamation point would have been prickish. Definitely didn't want to end it with 'Duh.' by itself, because that seemed inflammatory (flaming) which could have been strike-worthy. So, I wussed out and used the '?'. In hindsight, a string of periods could've worked. (...) Might consider that for next time.
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Shenkyei Rambo ![]() Member ![]() ![]() strike 1- filter dodge, 6/21/10 Joined: 11 February 2009 Location: CANADA!!!!!!!!! Status: Offline Points: 60 |
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holy crap guys i was just trying to give someone my opinion on how i THOUGHT a-5's worked but my god. i was just trying to say the most technical answers i could with what knowledge i do have for a-5's but apparently that isnt good enough for you!
attacking what i say and what i believe happened is only going to make things betetr for anyone. i know i don't know everything about an a-5 but what i do know is the most basic things that i would ever care about for a marker i dont care for at all.
my god, you people are unforgiving for the littlest things
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oldpbnoob ![]() Platinum Member ![]() ![]() Not old, Not noob. May be Dave's grandma Joined: 04 February 2008 Location: Yankee Stadium Status: Offline Points: 5676 |
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Perhaps, it would be better to stick with what you know, not what you think. Pulling incorrect technical info out of your rear will get you and the person you are replying to nowhere. Thinking is better suited to the T&O section. Or not.
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StormyKnight ![]() Moderator Group ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 July 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3129 |
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Look at the first paragraph in your reply. Nowhere in there do you make mention on how you thought an A-5 operated with a Flatline barrel and Egrip. It came across as being truth in fact.
These were not attacks. They were corrections. When you pass on bad information or fallacious reasoning, it begs to be refuted.
You care about something you don't care about at all? You lost me there.
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I don't think It's been said yet, so here it goes...
Be carefull about how amped up you make your marker (At least if you are playing on a regulated field, or a reffereed woodsball corse) Most fields and corses have a REGULATION GUIDE to "Maximum BPS, Maximum FPS, and other key factors." (It would be a real bummer to spend your time and money for somthing you can't even bring out on the field. :( So not saying don't buy any upgrades, just think carefully, and talk to your field officials. :)
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Paintball...Play long, Play hard. \m/(o_o)\m/
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oldpbnoob ![]() Platinum Member ![]() ![]() Not old, Not noob. May be Dave's grandma Joined: 04 February 2008 Location: Yankee Stadium Status: Offline Points: 5676 |
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I have only ever had one field tell me that I couldn't run full auto on my E-grip. So I switched it to semi. Problem solved.
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