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    Posted: 06 July 2008 at 10:09am
I've been playing paintball around 12 years.  My first gun was a Spyder Compact, I call the POS, because it always was.  In 1998, I bought my first Tippmann, which was an original Model 98.  Back then, it seemed Tippmann was above everyone else when it came to scenario type guns.  Since then, I've bought a Pro/Carbine & a 98 Custom which I still use today.

Lately, I've been wanting a new gun.  Something smaller, lighter, quieter, and easier to take apart.  Recently, I saw the new BT TM-7, and I thought, "those guys have the right idea."

It makes me wonder if Tippmann will step up to the plate and make something that is not a blow-back.  1st, BT's solid receiver design is much better than the split receiver design of all current Tippmann's.  2nd, they actually decided to advance the technology of scenario guns by building a very cool looking milsim gun out of a speedball marker.  The "Mini's" Blow-forward design is in many ways superior to a Blow-back.  There are less moving parts, less to break or malfunction.  3rd, There is no kick back from a blow-forward, and the gun can be stripped & cleaned in a fraction of the time a split receiver gun can be.  And lastly, the TM-7 uses only 200 psi of air pressure making it much more quiet.

I am already saving money for a new gun, and if the reviews back up the quality I think the TM-7 has, that's my next new marker.

I just wonder if Tippmann has anything in the works to combat the TM-7, or is Tippmann the non-official replacement to Brass Eagle in Wal-Marts, as a lot of the experienced players suggest around the net.


Edited by motopsycho650 - 06 July 2008 at 10:11am
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Well we do know that they have been working on innovating, though most people don't give them much credit for the C3, they did something somebody may never do again. (though that may be because it wasn't the ground breaking new trend in paintball they said it would be, but they did make paintball more available to people living in rural areas) I wouldn't ever place Tippmann on the same shelf with a Brass Eagle (figuratively) simply because we know from history that they aren't going anywhere and will just continue to make nicer and nicer markers. However, it might be awhile till they scrap the tech that is in current use with the A5's 98's and X7's.
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Ive always enjoyed it when people look astonished when their fake supressor does nothing for sound and my droid with a stock barrel is the queitest thing out there.
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Originally posted by a_sock a_sock wrote:

Ive always enjoyed it when people look astonished when their fake supressor does nothing for sound and my droid with a stock barrel is the queitest thing out there.



The difference is probably in the air pressure.  A gun like a Tippmann running on 800+ psi (depends on the CO2 temp) is going to be a lot louder than a gun using only 200 psi.  It's a law of physics.  I think barrel porting, fake suppressors, etc. will only make a tiny difference if any.  Less pressure = less noise.

I don't give Tippmann much credit for the C3.  Innovative, yes, but not practical.  It's too big, VERY loud, and has a risk of being dangerous.  Eventually, all guns will spring a leak, and when your air supply is explosive, I foresee the possibility of bad things happening.  I've read reviews, and talked to C3 owners, and they all say it's hard to set the mixture, the igniter sometimes doesn't work, and the receiver can get hot after rapid firing.  Also, there is a muzzle flash at night.  Personally, I would much rather buy an old SL68-II.

As far as the BT, it's not near as innovative.  They bought the rights to another guns internals, and adapted it to a milsim/scenario body.  Where BT scores points with me is, they listened to what the players wanted, and made it for them.  It's the first scenario marker I know of that's not a blow-back.  Tippmann is more innovative, but that's a waste if it's something players don't care about.

I like the Tippmann's I already own, the Pro/Carbine being my favorite.  But they have no different options for me who wants to upgrade.  My 98C already has a Cyclone and a Flatline, so why would I spend 200-300 bucks on an A5 or X7 which is practically the same gun as my 1st gen 98C?


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I won't argue with you on that note, I agree. I'm sure they are up to something... and not just that t8 pistol look-a-like.
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Originally posted by motopsycho650 motopsycho650 wrote:

It's the first scenario marker I know of that's not a blow-back.


Er, Ion with a Lapco tactical body kit, SP-1, AGD Tac-One, Tiberius Tac-8 and 9, WGP VF Tactical and Tactical Trilogy?
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Originally posted by DeTrevni DeTrevni wrote:

Originally posted by motopsycho650 motopsycho650 wrote:

It's the first scenario marker I know of that's not a blow-back.


Er, Ion with a Lapco tactical body kit, SP-1, AGD Tac-One, Tiberius Tac-8 and 9, WGP VF Tactical and Tactical Trilogy?
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Originally posted by motopsycho650 motopsycho650 wrote:

I've been playing paintball around 12 years.  My first gun was a Spyder Compact, I call the POS, because it always was.  In 1998, I bought my first Tippmann, which was an original Model 98.  Back then, it seemed Tippmann was above everyone else when it came to scenario type guns.  Since then, I've bought a Pro/Carbine & a 98 Custom which I still use today.

Lately, I've been wanting a new gun.  Something smaller, lighter, quieter, and easier to take apart.  Recently, I saw the new BT TM-7, and I thought, "those guys have the right idea."

It makes me wonder if Tippmann will step up to the plate and make something that is not a blow-back.  1st, BT's solid receiver design is much better than the split receiver design of all current Tippmann's. 

And how is the split-receiver inferior?  Dose it leak?  Do you not like the fact you can simply switch the receiver out if it becomes damaged?  Enlighten me on how this incredibly handy design is inferior.

2nd, they actually decided to advance the technology of scenario guns by building a very cool looking milsim gun out of a speedball marker.  The "Mini's" Blow-forward design is in many ways superior to a Blow-back.  There are less moving parts, less to break or malfunction. 

How is the "blow-forward" technology so much better than "blow-back".  It's not more accurate, there aren't many less moving parts (98cs have 3, including the bolt rod), and you are claiming an electronic marker is more reliable than an extremely simple mechanical marker.  Electronics suck in the wet.  And when i'm in a scenario, I don't want to have to second guess jumping in the ditch with a small creek running through it, or crawling through the mud.  Not to mention, what happens when this closed-bolt marker jams and you don't have a means to open up the bolt manually? 

3rd, There is no kick back from a blow-forward,

The closed bolt technology has nothing to do with this.  It's all about the weight of the moving internals and the pressure the marker is operating at.  If there is no kick, then how come players in the NPPL have to overcome "bounce".

 and the gun can be stripped & cleaned in a fraction of the time a split receiver gun can be. 

What does split receivers have to do with taking off the barrel and running a swab through it?  That's the only "field stripping" you ever need to do.  If you have to work on your gun mid-game, odds are you are going to drop a part and waste time regardless of the design of the marker.

And lastly, the TM-7 uses only 200 psi of air pressure making it much more quiet.

Tippmann makes low-pressure kits which make the markers super-quiet.

I am already saving money for a new gun, and if the reviews back up the quality I think the TM-7 has, that's my next new marker.

I just wonder if Tippmann has anything in the works to combat the TM-7, or is Tippmann the non-official replacement to Brass Eagle in Wal-Marts, as a lot of the experienced players suggest around the net.

Tippmann makes entry-level markers.  It's what they're good at.  They make quality product, so why try to fix it.  They know if they make a super-high end marker, none of the experienced players will take them seriously or they will know it is not necessary. 


But if you really like the marker, by all means go for it.  I'll bet it shoots nice, it certainly looks mean, and I'll bet it'd get a lot of looks at the field.  I was just correcting you on some of your claims that I do not entirely agree with.
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