Tippmann Pistol thoughts

I'm impressed with what I've seen and I'm still looking forward to carrying these. However, there are a few minor things that could be changed to improve the usefulness of this pistol in play.

The short version of my introduction is that I switched to playing pistol paintball when the Crosman 3357 revolver came out in 1987.  I've played around 6 or seven hours of paintball with 'regular markers'(including an hour attached to a ProCarbine) in the 21 years of averaging over 30 days a year, since.  I am not exaggerating when I say that I have played with every type of paintball pistol ever made.

  I've long been a fan of Tippmann the company, for their sponsorship and great relationship with my home field, Hell Survivors in Michigan, but have never had an opportunity to carry one of your guns.  I've played 9 of the 11 Tippmann Vs World challenges and it'll be nice to finally be on the right team next year!  So hurry up and get Dave Massey and Ed Stapleton a pair of these, so I can start shooting folks!

 

First things first.  The location of the rail under the barrel is going to cause problems when holstering and unholstering.

  However, there are times when a rail is nice to have there.

  Perhaps instead of those two screws coming from the sides in the front co2 compartment, a 4 screw plate on the bottom joining the two sides, with two screws going up into each half of the clamshell would be more sturdy.

  Having this reinforcing plate, with a tac rail plate as a 'replacement of the regular flat plate' option would make the co2 compartment strong enough for a side dropout.  It's been my long experience that side dropouts are by far superior to end loaded tubes or bottom dropouts.  As you can see from this short video of my modified Miltec G2 the cylinder can simply be placed in the gun, whereas with a bottom dropout, the cylinder must be held up into the gun with the off hand or the gun must be turned over to tighten.  Both of these options get you shot.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgWcaQZV0Gw

With an endloaded co2 tube not only must the gun be pointed up to open, down to dump and up AGAIN to load, the big killer is something any pistol player would know.  When you change a co2 while you're running, IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO START THE THREADS ON A PLUG WITHOUT STRIPPING OUT THE PLUG OR THE GUN IN SHORT ORDER.

Going with a side dropout means that the feed plug NEVER gets screwed all the way out of the gun, even if there were no speed difference this will make your pistols more combatworthy and dependable.

Please don't put fingergrooves on it.  Fingergrooves are to give you stability so that recoil doesn't move your hand on the grip.  Paintball guns HAVE NO RECOIL.

  In addition a person with a firearm takes a static grip on the pistol and never moves the gun hand during reloading, with a paintball pistol it is necessary to slide your hands all over the gun as you change co2, fingergrooves in the wrong spot for your individual hands will make your instinctive shooting terrible and keep it from ever getting better.  Really fingergrooves are just pseudo-custom bling that get in the way of good shooting form.  If they're not custom sized to your hand, they do more harm than good.

I would round off the triggerguard, too.  In paintball, unlike policework, it's often just as important being able to PUT AWAY your gun fast, as it is to be able to draw it fast. If a pistol player gets used to a good holster rig he can be the only person on the field besides the refs with both hands free, but that's hard when the pistol can double as a grappling hook.  Once again, the things like this triggerguard are being copied from real guns, where they are used for RECOIL and PBpistols don't have that!

One thing's the same in PBpistols as firearms, the more it looks like a plain 1911 colt, the better it will work.

  I love that the barrel is shrouded, it looks like this pistol will do well against the TAG8's natural enemy, RAIN.  I would think twice before drilling those holes in the sides of the grip for that reason though.  Holsters get wet and hands get wetter, drilling an OPEN hole right to where the paintballs are is a recipe for barrel breaks.  I can fix this like I did the hole in the top of the TAG, by filling the hole with a small dab of clear epoxy, but anyone with a cordless screwdriver can make those holes, so I wouldn't put them there in the factory.  Contrary to paintball belief, most pistol players are smart enough to COUNT.

I look forward to trying these out. 

Is it true that these guns pierce the co2 on the first shot and are not 'Insta-pierce'? 

Rob

 

 

 

 

^^^ Rob, he's right. You may be better off contacting Tippmann directly, or maybe getting a petition going.

Agent there wont be an issue with Cross Threading on these Pistols. As already leaked in other Forums the Pistol is charged when you pull that first trigger pull after loading a 12 gram CO2 cartrige in it. the TPX has a inovative locking system for the CO2 chamber that makes cross threading imposible.


The holes on the side of the Pistol that allow you to see the rounds inside are more windows than an open hatchway. Water and dirt can not enter that way.

I also heard from a Tippmann Dealer who got hands on with this marker at PSP W that it will fit in large standard holsters and that the Magazines fit in standard 1911 magazine pouches. HE owns a tac-8 and told me that he plans on purchasing this pistol and using it over the Tac-8. He runs LAWs in game so pistols are his primary.

Thou I will forward your concerns and comments to the appropiate people.




Edited by Evil Elvis - 30 October 2008 at 7:09pm

Good thoughts, ASmith.  The Tippmann folks pay attention to what their fans like, so I am sure the suggestions will be given consideration.

Cool pistol.

I wonder if the 12gram plug uses a quarter-half turn then to lock in. Rather than rotating 10 or so times.

This pistol speaks of a blow foward variant if you ask me.

Look at the leaked photo(not EE's) and you can see a mag resembilance in the valve.

any word on pricing

with that, you're getting back into the air-in-the-mag design. The pistol is already built, and its just getting fine tuning. If you want to suggest a radical change to the technology, then I suggest you start a new thread.

firefghtersta14 wrote: Im new to this forum but I was talking with a buddy of mine about this pistol the other day.  What if we could eliminate the use of a CO2 cartrage all together?  Bear with me on this.  I like the exotics in paintball (tanks, mortars, grenade launchers, etc)  and in researching all of these Ive come across some interesting ideas/technology.  Now there are some grenade launchers that take grenades that use green gass or HPA to propel the projectile.  Ive never personally used one but I think that some airsoft guns use the same principle.  What if in each clip there is that hole where you use HPA to fill a resivour.  And each clip runs off of that amount of air.  As long as it stays air tight you will have a couple of benefits.  The use of HPA will increase the reliablilty of you shots in incliment weather and get rid of the need for buying CO2 cartrages.  You could get multiple fills of a 68ci HPA bottle.  This also might lighten up the weight of the pistol.  Its something I just thought about and Im by no means an engineer or an inventor but I think that if more research and development went into this maybe it would be the dawn of a new age of paintball pistols.

My question is, why didnt they use propane, if it lasts as long as they say it does on the pump gun ( I do not have the C3 so I do not know for sure) then you would never have to reload the gas on the field, think about it.

Though I do not know the size of the propane tank the C3 uses...

Yea how about that pricing eh? I am saving already, but it would be nice to have some rough figures...