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    Posted: 04 May 2005 at 10:21pm
Originally posted by HITMAN 4 HIRE HITMAN 4 HIRE wrote:

Originally posted by Darur Darur wrote:

Originally posted by patdh1028 patdh1028 wrote:

alright heres a new idea i just thought of that takes care of a major issue with this design: the fact that the paint inside the ball would not spin, causing instability. so what if you cut open a paintball at the seam and put some sort of barrier in between the two halves of the ball. something like latex or thin plastic like in bags. this would separate the sphere into two non-circular sections, therefore the paint could not help but move with the shell because the barrier would be attached to the shell. with this modification i see no reason why this "paintball" would not act much like a real bullet. i just drew this in paint:


Yoru forgetting that the paint still moves when it will spin.  Momentim is your enemy, the paint moves, and keeps moveing, the spins become more and more exagerated.  Then you are forgetting the fact that latex is not biodegradable, you are left with many many bits of latex all over.

this problem is easily solved using a straight rifled barrel such as the CMI Tru-Flite barrel, it cuts spin and increases accuracy a great deal


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 May 2005 at 4:05pm

yes i was with the inf. going for the sniping cours but it got all mixed up and i broke a knee so ill have to check my papers to find it out!

but if it helps my platoon was under sgt chouinard comand.

oh i remember its 129 2er22er but i was with de reg of hull  befor that on the reserve.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 May 2005 at 3:29pm
Originally posted by usafpilot07 usafpilot07 wrote:

but you couldnt use that in a 40 inch barrell, the friction alone would cause spinning
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 May 2005 at 2:36pm
You don't need a rifled barrel. The weight balance and wind resistance characteristics of the projectile would keep it straight regardless.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 May 2005 at 5:23pm
but you couldnt use that in a 40 inch barrell, the friction alone would cause spinning
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 May 2005 at 4:58pm
Originally posted by Darur Darur wrote:

Originally posted by patdh1028 patdh1028 wrote:

alright heres a new idea i just thought of that takes care of a major issue with this design: the fact that the paint inside the ball would not spin, causing instability. so what if you cut open a paintball at the seam and put some sort of barrier in between the two halves of the ball. something like latex or thin plastic like in bags. this would separate the sphere into two non-circular sections, therefore the paint could not help but move with the shell because the barrier would be attached to the shell. with this modification i see no reason why this "paintball" would not act much like a real bullet. i just drew this in paint:


Yoru forgetting that the paint still moves when it will spin.  Momentim is your enemy, the paint moves, and keeps moveing, the spins become more and more exagerated.  Then you are forgetting the fact that latex is not biodegradable, you are left with many many bits of latex all over.

this problem is easily solved using a straight rifled barrel such as the CMI Tru-Flite barrel, it cuts spin and increases accuracy a great deal
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 May 2005 at 10:41am
Originally posted by patdh1028 patdh1028 wrote:

alright dont write this off, im sure its possible...

what you need is a closed bolt mechanism,...

The closed bolt argument has already been made, its been proven by several companies and people on this very forum not to make any difference in accuracy or range on paintball markers. I also once believed the dream, but now I have come to see the truth.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 May 2005 at 10:34am

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no no no, and for the sake of conversation, im  12th Regular Can. 

If you are saying you are in the Canadian military, then why is your forum name Usafpilot? As in United States Air Force Pilot.

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Heh... I'm not aware of any unit by that name, or of any naming convention like that.  We've got so few regular force (active service, not reserves) units that it's impossible to make one up and not get caught...
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no no no, and for the sake of conversation, im  12th Regular Can. 
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<shrug> the topic was getting fairly dead anyway... If anyone seriously complains about the hijack I'll apologize and let it get back on track.
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Originally posted by brihard brihard wrote:

Originally posted by x-mo-x x-mo-x wrote:

i was in the can.force and i trained with Simunitions

Hey, which unit were you with? Were you reg force or reserves?



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Originally posted by x-mo-x x-mo-x wrote:

i was in the can.force and i trained with Simunitions

Hey, which unit were you with? Were you reg force or reserves?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 May 2005 at 5:27pm
Originally posted by Darur Darur wrote:

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what ever happens to those paintball bullets. The ones that fired out of a real rifle. Like in Childs Play III? The did exsist for a couple of years but all the sudden disapeared.

 



Simunitions, they still exist.  They are by no means safe.  One guy was killed because he didnt wear his neckguard once

ya and is @$$ of buddy shot him in the neck thats y!!!

they are safe i was in the can.force and i trained with Simunitions so let it go!!

Y do you think you know every thing the guy has a good point about the sniper round instead of making it of Styrofoam you make some flaps of the same stuff the ball is made of....... i guess (tought from the top of my head so its not the best)

Oh and before you tell people to learn ballistics you should finish kindergarden........you know to give you a bit of credibility!!

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The Simunitions fatality was a Canadian soldier at Canadian Forces Base Petawawa. as stated, he didn't wear a neckguard, and a simunitions round caused falat damage to his neck. Not sure if it was a severed carotid artery or a crushed trachea.

I've used Simunitions in urban combat training. They're fun, and you can use the real weapons, but the masks are frickin' horrible. They should definitely sub-contract their safety gear out to V-Force or Dye. They fog up like you wouldn't beleive, have awful ventilation, and the eyes bulge out so far you simply cannot use the sights on your weapon. I prefer MILES gear, hands down.

 

Nicodemeus makes some good points about the physics of this, but listen to theoneillusion. Try it out somehow, and figure it out for yourself if it's a go or not. Best of luck to you. Anyone with the inclination to try something new gets my support, unless it's abysmally stupid or dangerous.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 May 2005 at 3:30pm
Originally posted by Darur Darur wrote:

Originally posted by Psyrecx Psyrecx wrote:

Originally posted by Darur Darur wrote:

Originally posted by Psyrecx Psyrecx wrote:

what ever happend to those paintball bullets. The ones that fired out of a real rifle. Like in Childs Play III? The did exsist for a couple of years but all the sudden disapeared.

 


I was killed because he didnt wear his neckguard once

So... who was killed anyway?

Who?



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 May 2005 at 10:26am

Presuming you get it to come out at the same velocity, the extra mass of the sabot wouldn't pull it down faster. Remember Newton's apple and feather in a vacuum experiment?

What would happen is that the uniformity and symmetry would be lost in both the surface area and cross-sectional density. If the sabot stayed attached to the ball, and the ball wasn't destroyed in the acceleration, the projectile would tumble end over end, and since it's nonsymmetrical the wind resistance would play hell on its accuracy. 

Make a conical shaped paintball that is symmetric in shape and density. Sounds expensive.

Making the paintball take up more space will only slow it down by increasing the drag coefficient. You cannot boost the velocity unless you find a better material that is less dense then paint and will disperse more rapidly so that it is safe to shoot at higher velocity.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 May 2005 at 7:44am

My main question is this.

When you put the lightweight material to the back of the ball, it would have to be sturdy enough to grip the firling. Paintballs dont have enough weight to them to be able to offset the weight of this sabot that we've put on. At the velocity that you'd be shooting, there wouldnt be enough power to keep the heavier sabot from falling, dragging the shot down with it.  

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 May 2005 at 1:02am
Originally posted by Psyrecx Psyrecx wrote:

Originally posted by Darur Darur wrote:

Originally posted by Psyrecx Psyrecx wrote:

what ever happend to those paintball bullets. The ones that fired out of a real rifle. Like in Childs Play III? The did exsist for a couple of years but all the sudden disapeared.

 


I was killed because he didnt wear his neckguard once

Who?



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 May 2005 at 12:51am
Heres my opinion: Try it, do a mock up of your idea with what you've got. There is no better way to find out if something works than to test it. If it doesn't work, move on and keep thinking of a way to reach your goal. You will never get anywhere by saying "oh it won't work" and then giving up. Hell, where would the Wright brothers have gotten with that mentality. 
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