Gas operated automatic PB guns?

Brihard- Very True, Very True.  The UK used to (at least until I left in 2000) consider full auto anything (airsoft, BB, firearms) illegal.

Rambino,

  Remember my original point- Paintball guns are considered airguns and sports equipment by federal and state law (if they were considered firearms, they would be regulated by the ATF). 

  Sure, an airgun can be considered a weapon.  So can a baseball bat, a golf club, or even a frying pan.  What I am saying is that within the U.S., the legal definition for firearm, has never included airguns.  Instead, laws were created to specifically address airguns.  What they did with those laws varies from city to city, state to state but, they frequently are worded very similarly to firearm laws.  That however, does not make an airgun a firearm.

  I wouldn't ever consider myself to be giving legal advice.  Neither would I take anything discussed on this board to court without verifying it through legal channels.  But, I've been around paintball in different areas (CA, VA, UK), long enough (15+yrs) to have a pretty good understanding of what's going on.

  What really needs to happen is that people need to stop perpetuating myths without providing any proof.  It's this kind of behavior that causes people to think that longer barrels have a longer range, and that there is a single barrel (not including kits) that is the best with every name brand  paintball.

  While I cannot provide universal proof of my belief.  I don't have the time (nor anyone else I imagine) to gather the applicable section of every city's ordnances), it doesn't require much to discredit.  Therefore if it's not true, somebody will come along and pipe up, and I welcome that.  But, since you provided one referrence (which favors my point I might add) I will provide two:

VA Legislative information system:

"Firearm" means any weapon that will or is designed to or may readily be converted to expel single or multiple projectiles by the action of an explosion of a combustible material; or the frame or receiver of any such weapon.

And a relevant story- read all the way through though.

I do wonder how the C3 will fall in all of this.


Edited by UV Halo

UV Halo wrote: First, I never implied that you can fire an airgun anywhere.  Many states, and cities have ordnances/laws that specifically restrict their useage.  For example, it is common in areas in the VA and CA for the discharge of an airgun within city limits (often referred to as 'heavily populated areas') to be unlawful. What has happened (in many cases before the advent of paintball) city ordnances were created to specifically prohibit the use of an airgun within city limits.

Here in Chesterfield, VA the only ordinace we have concering Airguns, is that airguns cannot be discharged within 300 ft. of a occupied building.

First, I never implied that you can fire an airgun anywhere.  Many states, and cities have ordnances/laws that specifically restrict their useage.  For example, it is common in areas in the VA and CA for the discharge of an airgun within city limits (often referred to as 'heavily populated areas') to be unlawful.

Rambino, or anyone who lives in an area (Within the U.S.) where airguns are considered firearms, please provide a link.  In Virginia, nor California have I ever found a legal definition of a firearm to include airguns.  For example, the post office defaults on the ATF's definition.  So, you cn ship an airgun anywhere in the U.S. (that doesn't necessarily include the bottles).

Consider this, if an airgun was considered a firearm, attacking someone who isn't playing wouldn't just be assault, it would at the very least, be considered 'assault with a deadly weapon', since the legal definition of deadly wepon specifically includes 'firearm'.

What has happened (in many cases before the advent of paintball) city ordnances were created to specifically prohibit the use of an airgun within city limits.

UV Halo wrote: Paintball guns are considered airguns and sports equipment by federal and state law (if they were considered firearms, they would be regulated by the ATF).  There are no laws, or city ordnances that ban fully automatic airguns.  You can see proof of this yourself when you look into buying fully auto airsoft guns (also considered airguns) available for sale in every state.

That's a bit bold and generalized...  Many cities, towns, and other municipalities consider ANY airgun a "firearm" for purposes of their local ordinances - generally the kind of ordinance that prohibits the firing thereof within city limits.  These ordinances generally don't specify full auto, but just prohibit firearm use entirely.

Clark Kent wrote: ^^^^   Those I knew about - but with the ATS guns, I will refer back to my "complicated" note. :)

all it is, is an autococker with autotrigger.

^^^

 

I can absolutely see the FPS limitations, that's a no-brainer. The thing that gets me is that they while feilds may not allow automatic fire (too "scary"?), they still make that option for playing in the woods on electronic guns. I'm asking why not do the same thing through a mechanical action as opposed to an electron one.

 

Also, since you know a great deal about paintballguns, I don't under stand why barrels have the ports on in. Someone told me that it allows the air to be moved out of the way more rapidly, but once the painball gets beyond that first set of ports, all gas pressure behind the round would dissipate. Or is it that the gas pressure realeased behind with each round is not enough to want to actually expand all the way behind the ball inside the barrel until it pushes it out? Kind of like it just fizzles out and there's not enough pressure realeased. It feels like what I said is confusing, so I'll use an example: If you took a .22 SR round and put an 6 foot long sniper barrel on it, you'll actually get far less range then you would say a 3 foot long barrel simply because the gas burns as much as it can, and cant expand any farther, so after that point the barrel just acts as friction on the bullet and slows it down. I'm saying the same thing about paintball barrels. Once the gas is blown out the side, you'd think that the barrel is just putting unneccary friction on the ball.

hell i dunno, i havnt messed with the C-3 at all

no.
It uses the combustion of the propane to drive a piston which in turn compresses enough air to fire the gun, and the air propels the ball.

^^^prolly.