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Has this ever happened before?

 
Where a democratic president and the democrat controlled house and senate passed legislation that the public was against?...
 
Well, I'm sure they passed over this in school, but here it is for you patriots that realize the man who ignores history is destined to repeat it.
 
And the liberals who have dumbed down our history should have learned that lesson.
 
 
In 1854 the democratic party did something similar. Shock and horror, it was to keep slaves. (oh, no wonder it was left out of the school books, don't want to point out democrats supported slave owners). 
 
but, they passed legislation under the guise of "popular sovereignty"... Something that has been used by the Administration and media to force us into silence since "everyone is for health care reform". Except this isn't health care reform, it is a massive tax increase, spending over a trillion dollars that we don't have to pay for 6 years of service, in 10 years. Not including the money set aside in the budget, and the money in the stimulus, and the "doctor fix" soon to come. It will cost trillions, and lots of jobs will be lost.
 
And if you remember, that stroke of the pen started the first civil war...
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Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:


And if you remember, that stroke of the pen started the first civil war...

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Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

Has this ever happened before?

 
Where a democratic president and the democrat controlled house and senate passed legislation that the public was against?...
 
Well, I'm sure they passed over this in school, but here it is for you patriots that realize the man who ignores history is destined to repeat it.
 
And the liberals who have dumbed down our history should have learned that lesson.
 
 
In 1854 the democratic party did something similar. Shock and horror, it was to keep slaves. (oh, no wonder it was left out of the school books, don't want to point out democrats supported slave owners). 
 
but, they passed legislation under the guise of "popular sovereignty"... Something that has been used by the Administration and media to force us into silence since "everyone is for health care reform". Except this isn't health care reform, it is a massive tax increase, spending over a trillion dollars that we don't have to pay for 6 years of service, in 10 years. Not including the money set aside in the budget, and the money in the stimulus, and the "doctor fix" soon to come. It will cost trillions, and lots of jobs will be lost.
 
And if you remember, that stroke of the pen started the first civil war...


You do know that Democrats then are Republicans now right?

And if you think the Civil War was mainly about slavery, you're not the informed southerner you pretend to be.
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Wasn't the Civil War about the State's rights to secede (sp?) from the Union?

And wasn't Popular Sovereignty actually about Democracy, rather than about Slavery? It let each territory vote on whether or not it allowed slavery as it was becoming a State, thus letting the people decide, rather than the government.
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Originally posted by ThatGuitarGuy ThatGuitarGuy wrote:

Wasn't the Civil War about the State's rights to secede (sp?) from the Union?

And wasn't Popular Sovereignty actually about Democracy, rather than about Slavery? It let each territory vote on whether or not it allowed slavery as it was becoming a State, thus letting the people decide, rather than the government.


Not only slavery, but a shlew of issues.  Slavery was certainly well publicized, because it had a lot of economic ties, but to say the war was about slavery is silly. There were a couple of Union states that still had slaves in the beginnign.
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What begins? How does that relate to the topic?
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Well, since Obamacare covers abortion. And here is an example this week where a minor child was taken for an abortion while in school without informing the parents...

 
That is a perfect example of government controlling children without parental consent.
 
In other words...
 
Some government group decided they would help 15 year olds kill a child, without notifying their parent or guardian.
 
Sounds like a death panel to me.
 
 
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The story has nothing to do with the bill Obama just signed or the reconciliation package going before the Senate and you know that. Troll moar.
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Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

Well, since Obamacare covers abortion. And here is an example this week where a minor child was taken for an abortion while in school without informing the parents...

 
That is a perfect example of government controlling children without parental consent.
 
In other words...
 
Some government group decided they would help 15 year olds kill a child, without notifying their parent or guardian.
 
Sounds like a death panel to me.
 
 
Remember, the government knows better than you...

1. Pick a controversial case that occurs in an entirely different level of government
2. Draw a nonsense, coincidental link between this case and a controversial piece of legislation that you personally disagree with, that has not yet taken effect, and that you yourself have admitted is not in any way really attributable to the president after who you yourself name the law
3. Fail, gloriously and in public
4. ???
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Originally posted by brihard brihard wrote:

Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

Well, since Obamacare covers abortion. And here is an example this week where a minor child was taken for an abortion while in school without informing the parents...

 
That is a perfect example of government controlling children without parental consent.
 
In other words...
 
Some government group decided they would help 15 year olds kill a child, without notifying their parent or guardian.
 
Sounds like a death panel to me.
 
 
Remember, the government knows better than you...

1. Pick a controversial case that occurs in an entirely different level of government
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5. Profit
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I wrote a column about the health care 'debate.'

You should read it: Link.
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Your article missed the point.

 
This bill is just a revenue generator for the government, under the guise that it will "help" get everyone "better" insurance.
 
What it does, is increase the governments power, by increasing taxes. Significantly increasing taxes, and hiring up to 16,000 new IRS agents to enforce this new tax base.
 
Companies will be spending THOUSANDS more because of this. (oh, that's just free ranting... it really isn't that bad...
 
oh wait.)
 
 
 
 
And those companies can not afford this added tax burden during the worst recession of all time. (I'm joking since the stimulus was passed because of rhetoric like that)
 
 
THAT is what your media brothers are missing. The president promised to focus like a laser on jobs... And yet the only jobs being created are government jobs, which are funded by wacking the businesses with higher taxes.
 
 
Which means the businesses either raise prices (ammo just went up 20% again..., and what about gas prices?...) or they make less money.
 
Either way, the POOR lose, because they are the ones paying more for goods and services.
 
But, hey, at least if they are still alive in 4 years, then they can get some free healthcare...
 
 
 
 
 
It bothers me to no end the way the media ignores the huge increase in taxes and fines in this bill.
 
 
But, hey, it's easier to pretend that your hero is fixing stuff I guess. While ignoring all the economic indicators that prove it is getting worse by the day...
 
 


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Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

Your article missed the point.



It's a column.

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This bill is just a revenue generator for the government, under the guise that it will "help" get everyone "better" insurance.


Wasn't your talking point a few threads ago that this reform will bankrupt the government?
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Originally posted by agentwhale007 agentwhale007 wrote:

Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

Your article missed the point.



It's a column.
 
Whoops, Sorry...
 
Two words come to mind after a comeback like that...
 
pretentious and ostentatious... (weird huh?)

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This bill is just a revenue generator for the government, under the guise that it will "help" get everyone "better" insurance.


Wasn't your talking point a few threads ago that this reform will bankrupt the government?
 
 
Yes, and it does. What is the current deficit?
 
Will that deficit grow or shrink in 20 years as a result of this bill?...
 
(Even a liberal mind (not you personally, I'm just speaking figuratively)  has to admit that once you add in the "doctor fix" and use the actual figures, instead of tying the cbo's reporting to just the bill, and not the income from the budget, and the stimulus and it STILL only pays for 6 years...)
 
 
This bill will force businesses to decrease costs... While all of their raw materials and transportation and energy costs including health care are going up...
 
 
 
So, what will they do?
 
Raise prices and slash jobs.
 
Everyone will pay more for everything (hmm, not a tax! right?) and less jobs...
 
Which means less revenue for the government.
 
It is all tied together, but I'm sure they covered that in your business classes.
 
 
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Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

pretentious and ostentatious... (weird huh?)[quote]

Weird indeed, because I am inclined to think that telling someone who wrote an opinion article, completely independent from the subject at hand, is missing the point he purported to make because one vehemently disagrees with the healthcare extremely pretentious and grounded in a misunderstanding of what the author intended.

Hence, Whale told you that what he wrote is a column.
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calm down gatr I was only joking beside it is fun to pick on a newbie journalist as soon he will be in grad school somewhere and will be learning even more about his trade and he knows that journalists are often accused of looking down their noses ala liberal professors see what Im saying is i was just poking fun at whale which i am sure he didnt take offense to...
 
 
 
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Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

This bill is just a revenue generator for the government,



Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:


Which means less revenue for the government.
 


Pardon me if I am confused here.
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Originally posted by agentwhale007 agentwhale007 wrote:

Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

This bill is just a revenue generator for the government,



Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:


Which means less revenue for the government.
 


Pardon me if I am confused here.
 
 
No problem, let me explain it in simpler terms.
 
When the government spends too much, they raise taxes, to increase revenue. Thinking that they will have more money.
 
But, what actually happens OVER TIME is that they end up getting less, so they have to raise taxes even more, because for some reason they never spend less, but always spend more.
 
Each time they raise taxes, jobs go away, and revenues end up going down.
 
 
 
When you lower taxes, revenues go up because there is a money shift.
 
Government has less of business money, and business reinvest and grow... Which will actually increase revenue.
 
See Reagan and his tax cuts and the affects they had on our economy.
 
Remember interest rates were 18% when he took office. You grew up reaping the benefits of his policies, all the while the liberal side of the isle was spending all they could while raising taxes, and look what happened...
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