Is there more we could be doing?

Can we put the military Reserves and Reg military men & women at the US borders to protect us?

 The Customs Service plays a critical role in protecting the nation's security interests.

We may be marginally safer now, but that has more to do with the spread of awareness than any other factor.

We have to rebuild our intelligence assets, for one thing.

They were gutted during the Clinton Administration.

Another problem is, there are, whether you wish to believe it or not, there are terrorist assets on American soil as we speak.

They must be flushed out and taken out of the game.

Also, America must get it through their heads that 9/11 was NOT an anomoly.

9/11 was the first real hit on America, but I am certain that it will NOT be the last.

When we mentally take ownership of these facts, then we will REALLY be ready to fight the enemy and make America a safer place.

As for the Patriot Act, I understand what you are saying, Enos.

However, as someone who has absolutely nothing to hide, I am not afraid of it.

Let's face it, things are done daily that we would not like or approve of, but if it prevents another 9/11, it's something I can live with.

hwayhzrd wrote: Another problem is, there are, whether you wish to believe it or not, there are terrorist assets on American soil as we speak.

I believe we are currently looking for these seven suspected terrorist.

Enos, this is not the same nation that the Founding Fathers created.

They never had any clue that things like Global Terrorism would become an everyday concern.

Many of the preconceptions that they held for this nation have been relegated to the idealogical scrapheap because of the realities of the age.

Believe me, I am all for personal freedom and the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, however, before we can enjoy freedom and liberty, we have to do whatever is required to KEEP people alive to partake of those constitutional rights.

We are looking at the possibility of living like the Isrealis live, and frankly, that will simply not do.

I will give up whatever I have to to keep children wired up with bombs  fromturning up in the U.S. and blowing up people.

That's not a world I am prepared to live in.

pballa j.r. wrote: Enos Shenk wrote: If our safety requires measures like the patriot act, id rather take my chances. Better to get blown up by some crazy arab, then it is to lose our freedoms. Of course its easy to convince the average idiot that isnt true. gg government. How does the CIA and FBI being able to share info take away your freedoms?  Im not trying to call you out or anything im seriously asking.

I think Enos might be referring to the part about the government having the ability to hold indefinately without a trial or reason, without having anyone else notified. Or maybe he's talking about the possible loss of privacy. In any case, I don't think he's referring to the CIA and FBI being able to share information.

pballa j.r How does the CIA and FBI being able to share info take away your freedoms?  Im not trying to call you out or anything im seriously asking. [/QUOTE wrote:   If you think thats all the patriot act does, your seriously mistaken. The patriot act has tons of stuff with no relation at all to terrorism, terrorism was just

If you think thats all the patriot act does, your seriously mistaken.

The patriot act has tons of stuff with no relation at all to terrorism, terrorism was just the excuse to pass the law, and strengthen computer crime laws to incredibly ricidulous proportions.

You should try reading this http://www.eff.org/Privacy/Surveillance/Terrorism/20011031_eff_usa_patriot_analysis.html - http://www.eff.org/Privacy/Surveillance/Terrorism/20011031_e ff_usa_patriot_analysis.html

hwayhzrd wrote: I will give up whatever I have to to keep children wired up with bombs  from turning up in the U.S. and blowing up people. That's not a world I am prepared to live in.

I beg to differ we already live in it right here in the USA.

crime-statistics street-gangs

Not only kids killings kids.

For what turf? And you say it can't happen to you, your wrong.

street gangs are in every state

1 - Are we any more safer from Terrorist?

2 - Can we put the military Reserves and Reg military men & women at the US borders to protect us?

3 - Is there anything else that can be done to protect us that you may or may not know that is already being done?

Thanks, I fixed the title.

Is there anything more that you or I or this country can do to protect from terrorist? And no I don't mean wrap your house with duct tape and plastic.

welcome guest wrote: hwayhzrd wrote: Another problem is, there are, whether you wish to believe it or not, there are terrorist assets on American soil as we speak. I believe we are currently looking for these seven suspected terrorist.

are you racist?

Rio258K wrote: We need to post armed gaurds on nuclear power plants. Watch the movie Meltdown. It is an FX original movie. the end will make you think about the government and how it lies about everyting.

I think bolding that would be just as efficient as posting something...

brycef wrote: welcome guest wrote: hwayhzrd wrote: Another problem is, there are, whether you wish to believe it or not, there are terrorist assets on American soil as we speak. I believe we are currently looking for these seven suspected terrorist. are you racist?

NO, Thats the problem nobody knows what going on in real world. 

http://www.klastv.com/Global/story.asp?S=1898057&nav=168XNRRL - http://www.klastv.com/Global/story.asp?S=1898057&nav=168 XNRRL

CarbineKid wrote: The fact that there has not been an attack on American soil since 9/11/2001 is amazing. Unfortunately terrorist can and will strike at any time. However(and I hate to say this) the country as a whole has become complaicent. People have already forgotten the lessons of 9/11 and they will not wake up until the next attack(maybe).

If we don't make every effort to stop terrorist we lose. Our US Borders need more inspections.

Sept. 10— For a second year, U.S. government screeners have failed to detect a shipment of depleted uranium in a container sent by ABCNEWS from overseas as part of a test of security at American ports.

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/wnt/Primetime/sept11_uranium030910.html - http://abcnews.go.com/sections/wnt/Primetime/sept11_uranium0 30910.html

hwayhzrd wrote: Enos, this is not the same nation that the Founding Fathers created. They never had any clue that things like Global Terrorism would become an everyday concern. Many of the preconceptions that they held for this nation have been relegated to the idealogical scrapheap because of the realities of the age. Believe me, I am all for personal freedom and the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, however, before we can enjoy freedom and liberty, we have to do whatever is required to KEEP people alive to partake of those constitutional rights. We are looking at the possibility of living like the Isrealis live, and frankly, that will simply not do. I will give up whatever I have to to keep children wired up with bombs  fromturning up in the U.S. and blowing up people. That's not a world I am prepared to live in.

Sorry-taking away rights is a slippery slope.

Rome was not built in a day-nor did it fall in a day.

While I also have nothing to hide  remeber that case law has taken hundreds of years to get to the point it is at. If you stood at the beginning and looked at the end you would think it impossible.

Look at people being held in Gitmo-their basic rights are being denied them. Look at Jose Padilla (STILL)being held, STILL nto close toa trial, still being denied rights.

Can you show me wherein the constituition it says "Well every one gets these rights except ______"?

CarbineKid wrote: welcome guest Hey I have been mis quoted, I never said what was in the red..lol

I hope you don't mind I added it.

welcome guest wrote: CarbineKid wrote: The fact that there has not been an attack on American soil since 9/11/2001 is amazing. Unfortunately terrorist can and will strike at any time. However(and I hate to say this) the country as a whole has become complaicent. People have already forgotten the lessons of 9/11 and they will not wake up until the next attack(maybe). If we don't make every effort to stop terrorist we lose. Our US Borders need more inspections. Border Breach? Customs Fails to Detect Depleted Uranium — Again Sept. 10— For a second year, U.S. government screeners have failed to detect a shipment of depleted uranium in a container sent by ABCNEWS from overseas as part of a test of security at American ports. http://abcnews.go.com/sections/wnt/Primetime/sept11_uranium030910.html - http://abcnews.go.com/sections/wnt/Primetime/sept11_uranium0 30910.html

  Depleted uranium is as it is described, depleted. That is to say that it is the opposite of enriched, and in it's depleted state it is not something that can be made into a weapon, with the exception of armor piercing rounds.

  Depleted Uranium is only mildly radioactive, about as much as you would experience while operating a microwave oven somewhere in your house.

  However, I have to agree that our ports are not as secure as they should be. But as bad as they are, the southern border is much worse. It would appear that Mexico's economy is more important to our government than our own safety.

  What's worse is that neither party seems willing to support a secure border policy.

Enos Shenk wrote: hwayhzrd wrote: However, as someone who has absolutely nothing to hide, I am not afraid of it. Neither do i, but if this country was built on freedom, what does it become when you take it away?

  Extraordinary situations call for extraordinary measures to be taken.

  During the Civil War, President Lincoln suspended the writ of Habeus Corpus, and more than 70,000 American citizens were detained (imprisoned) without charge.

  I can't say whether or not it helped to win the war, but it caused the three ancestors I had in the conflict to fight on the side of the Confederacy, even though they were from the north.

People mention the Constitution, but since when does the American Consitiution apply to foriegn nationals and international terrorists?

Why the heck should they be able to get any slack?

We have had wide open borders for WAY too long, and now we are starting to pay the price.

9/11 was NOT an isolated incident.

A Somali national was arrested here in Columbus, Ohio TODAY for plotting with Al Qeada to blow up a shopping center.

Wake up, people, it's later than you think.

Be prepared or be dead.

TRAVELER wrote: welcome guest wrote: CarbineKid wrote: The fact that there has not been an attack on American soil since 9/11/2001 is amazing. Unfortunately terrorist can and will strike at any time. However(and I hate to say this) the country as a whole has become complaicent. People have already forgotten the lessons of 9/11 and they will not wake up until the next attack(maybe). If we don't make every effort to stop terrorist we lose. Our US Borders need more inspections. Border Breach? Customs Fails to Detect Depleted Uranium — Again Sept. 10— For a second year, U.S. government screeners have failed to detect a shipment of depleted uranium in a container sent by ABCNEWS from overseas as part of a test of security at American ports. http://abcnews.go.com/sections/wnt/Primetime/sept11_uranium030910.html - http://abcnews.go.com/sections/wnt/Primetime/sept11_uranium0 30910.html   Depleted uranium is as it is described, depleted. That is to say that it is the opposite of enriched, and in it's depleted state it is not something that can be made into a weapon, with the exception of armor piercing rounds.   Depleted Uranium is only mildly radioactive, about as much as you would experience while operating a microwave oven somewhere in your house.   However, I have to agree that our ports are not as secure as they should be. But as bad as they are, the southern border is much worse. It would appear that Mexico's economy is more important to our government than our own safety.   What's worse is that neither party seems willing to support a secure border policy.

"If they can't detect that, then they can't detect the real thing," explained Tom Cochran, a nuclear physicist at the Natural Resources Defense Council, which lent the material to ABCNEWS for the project.

FearTheEngineer wrote: #2:  No we can't use reserve/guard forces to guard our borders because AHH guess what??  They can't do their job overseas without us!

How do you play capture the flag? Do you send all your team to capture the flag or do you have some protect your base? If more is need in a certain area you add more protection. But at all cost you protect your base.

Out of 190 countries, our federal government has a presence in over 120 countries (THATS OVER HALF THE WORLD!)  Several of our Founding Fathers warned us about slaying monsters abroad and making alliances with countries like Israel, with her eternal and un-winnable war.  http://federalismrevealed.tripod.com/freebook/id16.html - http://federalismrevealed.tripod.com/freebook/id16.html

The cycle of violence has no end. http://federalismrevealed.tripod.com/freebook/id14.html - http://federalismrevealed.tripod.com/freebook/id14.html

Our founding fathers did not forget to give us a National Defense but the failed to provide for the fears of the Anti-Federalists becoming reality.

There seem to be basically two types of Americans:

(1) Federalists who believe in a strong federal government that must police the world to keep the peace and the (2) Anti-Federalists who believe in States Rights, limited (constitutional) federal government, and that our Nations job is not to police the world and motivate terrorism abroad.

In the beginning of our Nation there were the Federalists and the Anti-Federalists as well.  The Anti-Federalists wouldnt agree to the Constitution (Thomas Jefferson and Ben Franklin) until the Bill of Rights was added to ensure the limitations of the federal governments powers in order to assure the protection of the rights of the People (States).

http://federalismrevealed.tripod.com/freebook/id21.html - http://federalismrevealed.tripod.com/freebook/id21.html

Some of the Anti-Federalists suspected the federalists of wanting to be KING!  Today the Federalists (Republicans and Democrats) are effectively the King of the World with the US as the sole superpower and the UN undermined!

The Problem: Our borders are open and one way to close them at no additional cost is to withdraw our National Defense from occupying 120 Nations around the world and us it to DEFEND OUR BORDERS!  Put the Army, Air Force, Navy, Coast Guard, Marines and the entire NATIONAL defense on the borders to defend our Nation by Land, Sea and Air!

Our Nuclear Plants, Chemical Plants and Hospitals (radioactive waste) are all wide-open and vulnerable to attacks.  These attacks will likely make 911 pale in comparison!  And none of these facilities can be made airplane proof nor can we secure the cargo planes all over the planet!

However, if we address the motivations of those willing to penetrate our borders at all costs (including their own death), we may be able to stop the motivation, which results in the crime.  Does it not?  Dont the police look for the motive?

Those penetrating our borders are (1) terrorists (2) drug mules, (3) and illegal aliens.

(1)   Terrorists are most often motivated by our federal government involvements abroad often interfering in their governments private business, violating their religion by invading/occupying holy soil, as well as hundreds of other reasons to include siding with Israel and opposing the Palestinians. People dislike us because we have wealth but they hate us enough to kill themselves as martyrs because of our governments actions/policies abroad.  We cant fight terrorism with an Army because http://federalismrevealed.tripod.com/freebook/id20.html - http://federalismrevealed.tripod.com/freebook/id20.html

(2)   Solution (1) A With-Drawl from foreign lands and a tight leash on our politicians will eliminate the motivation of most terrorists.  This will also keep the moderates from having to choose between their religion and the US.  The moderates would then be able to police their own but if their fanatics approach our soil and enter our waters, we will have every right and all the might to defend our borders!  Ill be the first to say let loose the dogs of war!  But only in self defense.

The federalists like to use Hitler as an example of why the US must police the world but Hitler was allowed to take over the world due to Europes failure to police their own.  Europe will not ever learn to police her own and solve her own problems as long as the US does for her what she should do for herself.  Necessity is the mother of invention.  Besides, we dont need any more dependents to support and defend!  Do we?

And as far as Japan (Pearl Harbor), it seems that our history books failed to mention how our federal government career politicians may have been interfering with that countrys oil (their economy) at that time.  The same way that they do now with nations abroad!

Wouldnt we see it as an act of war for someone to interfere with our oil?  Dont we go to war over oil because it is essential to our economy and much more?  I dont know that for a fact but many historical facts seem to have been selectively left out in my education as a youth.

When I call for a with-drawl, I am not calling for isolationism.  We should be aware of the goings-on in the world and it wouldnt hurt to help poor countries by sharing our wealth but career politicians are the last people to trust to do the right thing.  They make their decisions based on what is right for their careers - not what is right for the nation.

If we withdraw from half the world, when the enemy approaches our shores, we have a legal and moral right to self defense but hitting them first is not self defense!  It is pre-meditated murder if we kill them!  This is illegal, immoral and a crime.  Those who commit crimes are criminals and certainly not a nation of laws. 

(2) Drug Mules are those who traffic drugs into our country because of the lucrative drug profits resulting from a century of failed drug prohibition, which employs drug producers, traffickers, (Cartels), our local drug dealers and terrorists alike.  Oh, and lets not forget our youth who are lured into the drug trade due to the lucrative profits and the unregulated drug market that makes it easier for children to get drugs than alcohol.

Solution (2)  Put ALL DRUGS BACK IN THE DRUG STORES AND OUT OF THE HANDS OF CRIMINALS AND CHILDREN!  Legalize, regulate and control all drugs just as alcohol and tobacco or employ criminals and terrorists (through prohibition) who will do far more damage to our Nation than legal and regulated drugs ever could!

(3) Illegal Aliens are lured to the US by the promise of a better life - largely due to the fact that they KNOW large companies here in the US where they can get employment!    All they have to do is get across the border!

Solution (3) Legalize immigration and surround the border with our military.  Illegal aliens will not be able to get in once the drug tunnels close down (do to the end of prohibition) and the military securing (surrounding) our borders (Land,Sea,Air).  Those able to work here legally would then be allowed in (legally) and employed by the large corporations who employ them anyway (legal or not).

This is as easy as 1-2-3!  But the one thing standing in our way is the 2 party system of Big-Government Career Politicians.  Both parties are the same.  They are FEDERALISTS who want to be the KING of the world and police the world using our national defense to enforce their political demands!

Over the past century, both parties have only grown the federal government and destroyed States Rights and the entire Bill of Rights!  Now the People dont even have the right to order medications abroad to save their own lives because of Unconstitutional federal drug laws.  Whos body (property) is it?  Is your body your property or government property?

There is no lesser of 2 Evils!  They are the SAME Evil!  Furthermore, our soldiers are not police and occupying the globe makes us less safe here at home!

The only solution to this problem that I can see is to vote third party and send a message to Washington, Shape up or you are FIRED!  If they do not listen then a non-violent victimless REVOLUTION is needed in the form of the People voting in a 3^RD Party effectively overthrowing the federalist government and returning to our Founding Principles and States Rights.

The Anti-Federalists are coming!  The Anti-Federalists are coming! Revolution is overdue!  Vote 3^RD Party!

P.S.

To do nothing (not make waves or stand idle by) is to trade our Liberty for Security and Thomas Jefferson warned us that any people who trade their liberty for security deserve NEITHER!

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welcome guest wrote: Is there more we could be doing? Can we put the military Reserves and Reg military men & women at the US borders to protect us?  The Customs Service plays a critical role in protecting the nation's security interests.  However, recent incidents at such small ports, including crossings by individuals with possible links to suspected terrorist organizations overseas, highlight the risk in using remote inspections at these rural sites. The Committee encourages the U.S. Customs Service to examine the hours of operation of all rural border crossings and the effectiveness of the RVIS in sparsely populated locations. The RVIS should be used primarily in locations with adequate populations and commercial activity proximate to the border sufficient to provide an appropriate level for registrations and pre-screenings of frequent border travelers. Stations that do not fit this profile should be evaluated for operation on a 24 hours per day basis. A study of a station's hours of operation should also include an evaluation of any alternate crossing locations. Proximity to stations that are open 24 hours per day and the level of hardship caused by such routing should be considered as important factors. The Committee also encourages the Customs Service to undertake more timely and thorough efforts to warn potentially affected populations and frequent users before changing the alert status or hours of operation of any station. Such efforts should include notification of this Committee and those Members representing affected districts. At the Otay Mesa border crossing (California entry) 2,000 to 2,500 trucks cross each day. Four to five times more than in 1990. Other than random spot checks and "block busts" of 12 to 15 trucks, forget inspection! Referring to the "inspection" process, Sam Longanecker, USDA Supervisor says it’s "like having dinner without reservations" and Joyce Henderson of U.S. Customs says "It’s not container by container. We can’t do container by container all day long." Is there anything else that can be done to protect us that you may or may not know that is already being done?

I just found this sorry I did not start another topic on same post.

http://www.ilwu.org/dispatcher/2004/04/container-explosion.cfm?renderforprint=1 - http://www.ilwu.org/dispatcher/2004/04/container-explosion.c fm?renderforprint=1

on April 28, a container exploding in the Port of Los Angeles exposed all the threats the Congressional hearings, government agency regulations and industry press hand-wringing on port security have never effectively addressed.

“This one container shows how far backwards we’ve gone since 9-11,” he said. “The safety of our US workers and our communities is at risk.”