Check out these pictures of the new Scepter Combat Systems Launchers that I found.  They look pretty sweet on the Tippmanns!

http://www.jassepaintball.com/scepter-combat/launchers.htm - http://www.jassepaintball.com/scepter-combat/launchers.htm

maroon out wrote: Looks dangerous.

that means fun in my book, lol

Quote Maroon Out: ***Looks dangerous.***

Dangerous?!?  How could you be in paintball and say something like that?  If you think the launchers are dangerous why in the world are you in the sport?  Crossing the street is dangerous if you wanna get picky. 

Illegal at most fields...

There is no way to regulate the velocity unless you have a reg, chance that the pressure input into the launcher will have to be very low and now work with the gun causing you to up it (illegal), and it has to safety valve such as a pop/check/relief valve.

It may kill the efficiency if the pressure requirments are high/low than the optimal for your marker,

Valentino wrote: "Average muzzle velocity is 275 FPS" doesn't sound dangerous. I wouldn't pack one around though.

Considering that 14ft/lbs of energy is the maximum legal limit which is why we have an established 300fps...that 275fps with a much larger, 1.5"-2" projectile has much more force.

Many fields have a chrono of around 100fps-150fps...

I'm more open to the launcher concept than previous repliers. I sometimes would like like to put away my A5 and walk on to the field playing the squads' "room clearer".

I've seen pictures from APG that showed launcher-toters at Big Games so there must be some fields that encourage a lil "grape-shot" on thier property.

I would like to see a larger market for launchers, which really begins with the peoples tolerance for such paint-throwing devices. Our entire hobby is based on the respect and joy which comes from novelty, it would be splendid to see less words like "dangerous" and more words that promote a fair surveye of all the paintball technologies out there.

maroon out wrote: Because it’s “launchers” and other such homemade crap that make the sport dangerous. Normal paintball played in a controlled environment is not dangerous.

You MORON, it's not a homemade device.  Check out the website. http://www.scepter-combat.com - http://www.scepter-combat.com  

I'm sure that they have worked out all those problems that you guys are discussing.  And besides the only reason that fields do not allow something like this is because the customers don't put enough pressure on them.

Most claim that "it's the insurance companies" but it's not.  Trust me, if the demand were high enough, the supply will meet it - simple free economy principles.

Team Resistance wrote: I think that is mainly for "show." Also, what in sam hill is a Scepter?

Scepter is short for Scepter Combat Systems.  They are a brand new company with these launchers coming out at the end of this month.  They have other products due out shortly, such as a clip fed magazine... shotgun... bolt-action sniper rifle.

There's a lot of talk about it on the Armotech.us forum... check it out.

http://www.armotech.us/forum - http://www.armotech.us/forum

This place must all be speedballers.  Milsim, woodsball, etc. is greatest.

How could you not like launchers?!?

ritzblitz wrote: DNS Error. Redirect doesnt work either.

What do you mean by that?!?

Hey.  I am not here to advertise.  I just want to be able to answer your questions, and set a couple of things straight.

1. We used the launchers at D-Day Oklahoma this year, and they are now approved at all of the Tour of Duty Games.  MXS is also considering a blanket approval. Bill Bailey, one of the founders of Paintball as we know it, has written a wonderful endorsement for us. 

2. Our commercially produced launchers are as safe, or safer than paintball markers:  Velocity less than 200fps, footlbs/force is 9lbs.. Our safety tests include shooting testers in the face (with goggles) at four feet distances.  Safety is paramount to us!

3. Range is 40-70 yards.  We manufacture and shoot 2-oz frag grenades that are safe to shoot at personnel, and are approved for such use at many fields. 

4. We do not sell directly to the public but sell to distributors, who then sell to dealers. 

5. Our milsim systems are realistic, and offer new innovations to the sport we all love.  All of our systems are commercially engineered and manufactured.  We are not a garage manufacturer.

6. We love Tippmann products and will continue to look for ways to help you modify your markers for the realism you seek.

Feel free to write me anytime.

We want these to look intimidating! ....but work safely, so I guess we are doing our job.

The grenades retail for about $0.80. 

Here are some more pictures:

Hey Guys!

My name is Ed, I am a Co-Captain of a Scenario team out of California. I know Scepter personally, and am very familiar with ALL of his products.

They may "look" dangerous.....Thery're supposed to they're a grenade launcher, but these are some of the safest, highest quality mods you will find for your gun. All CNC machined Aluminum construction, a valving system so innovative it's patented, (not some OSH ball valve) Scepter employs some of the best designers in the business today, All American made. There has been ballistics testing as well as live testing done. My team will soon be using these in "real game" conditions and reveiwing their performance, so you'll have all the info you need if you're interested in looking into one.

Several fields and game producers are looking into updating their rules to accommodate the use of these new products into their games and for use on their fields. Not only do they add big time to the "oooh" factor, with a range between 40-70 yds they are also quite "battle effective". No more having to drop your marker to toss a hand grenade into that bunker full of bogies! plop in a Scepter frag grenade and 'Phooof' ! And the sweet thing here is, as all those "bad guys" go running for new cover, there you are "at the ready" to pick 'em off one by one!

It does not need the RiS system for mounting.  We connect the launcher to the gun via our own A5-type barrel connector (1/4 turn).  And, it gets it's air from a bottom line connector, that we also manufacture.

expensive

Silent...I don't know why you say this is expensive.  ( I guess it is al relative.) It is half the price of the Eagle, and it retrofits to almost all paintball markers.  It is virtually another marker (a 40mm marker), so you will have two guns in one.  There are other mods that dont even shoot anything, that cost more than our launchers.  And the nades are about ten percent the price of the other ones.  Hmmmm.

Yeah...it is not for everyone.

Excell...do you have a picture of your gun?

Excell, do you have a picture of your marker?  Does it use the A5 connector?

Frobs wrote: there rather expencive, how mutch are the nades, do u hafta buy the shell things?

As previously stated, this is not expensive as these things go. I remember back in the day you could get an M-79 GL for the price of a normal paintball marker, and it was seperate. But that was long ago. I know I will be looking at this thing as I have silently wanted an underslung shotgun / GL for quite a while but refused to post the idea (sinc it wasn't new nor really my idea) in the idea section.

Great looking Mod!!

The shotgun is still being prototyped.  We are about 60 days behind schedule on these projects, but hope to be caught up for the holiday market.

The launchers are ready. But the markers (Scepter 870 Tactical Shotgun, Scepter "Windrunner" Sniper Rifle, Scepter UZI, and a couple of others....including our new Scepter "Blaster" are still being prototyped.  Our markers include many ground-breaking innovations, so they are taking a little more time to develop. 

Is the grenade launcher capable of firing "shotgun" rounds. I assume so based on the canister design and similar products, but don't see any official mention or pictures that this is the case. Scepter, could you shed any light on this aspect?

Yes, the launchers can shoot "grapeshot" rounds.  You simply fill our sabot with up to 15 paintballs and cover them with a wad of paper. 

The launchers were developed for frag grenade rounds, however, and due to the low velocity of each shot (less than 200 fps) the grapeshot rounds are only good for close range targets...like hitting a tank as it comes around a corner. 

Regarding prices:  This one made by Tippmann Ordnance, can be purchased for $695, if you would prefer it.

And I think it was mentioned before, Tippmann Ordnance and Tippmann Pnuematics are different companies. However, I do not know their origins or any familial or previous relation to each other.

More questions:

• Are the frag grenade slugs designed to be fired mortar style with some lob / arch or still straight shot like traditional paintball rounds?
• If used with "grapeshot", will the paintballs stay in place in the barrel as you run around?
• For that matter, will the frage grenade stay inplace with normal movement?
• And finally, the grapeshot is effective enough to cover a corner form an ambush position then? It will allow the paint to break against human targets in normal clothing from ... say 20 ft?
• (edit) Not quite finally, And I assume the firing mechanism (trigger) is the button on the left side of the barrel / grip?
• Now finally, and is the hose to the ASA flexible enough that it can be attached to a Drop Forward instead of the stock ASA?

• Are the frag grenade slugs designed to be fired mortar style with some lob / arch or still straight shot like traditional paintball rounds?

Yes, the frag grenades are for indirect fire against personnel.  The grenades can be precisely placed behind, or at the feet of players who may be bunkered or otherwise protected by normal fire.  The range is 70 yards.

• If used with "grapeshot", will the paintballs stay in place in the barrel as you run around?

We give instructions on how to keep the pbs in the sabot, by basically covering the pbs with a wad of paper.  The sabot holds them in the barrel.

• For that matter, will the frage grenade stay inplace with normal movement?

After making the grenade, you wrap a piece of paper around the center of the grenade, and then insert it into the sabot.  The grenade is then held tightly in the barrel, until launch.

• And finally, the grapeshot is effective enough to cover a corner form an ambush position then? It will allow the paint to break against human targets in normal clothing from ... say 20 ft?

Grape-shot is not really for anti personnel.  It is best used as an anti tank ammunition.  You must get withing 20 yards though, for the best effect.

• (edit) Not quite finally, And I assume the firing mechanism (trigger) is the button on the left side of the barrel / grip?

That is correct.  Our patent pending launcher includes a valve that is actuated by pressing the "button" on the side of the launcher.

• Now finally, and is the hose to the ASA flexible enough that it can be attached to a Drop Forward instead of the stock ASA?

We manufacture the hose and the hose connectors.  The hose is a flexible PTFE hose with stainless braiding, and able to operate under 3000 psi.  It can be bent in a radius of 2".  It can connect to your marker's drop forward, as long as you can connect the airline connector to the drop forward.  The kit comes with a 13" section of braided airline.

Good questions!

See the bottom right photo?  You'll have to be able to connect the airline to the double airline connector.

TippyManic32 wrote: maroon out wrote: Looks dangerous. that means fun in my book, lol

me2

Scepter wrote: And finally, the grapeshot is effective enough to cover a corner form an ambush position then? It will allow the paint to break against human targets in normal clothing from ... say 20 ft? Grape-shot is not really for anti personnel.  It is best used as an anti tank ammunition.  You must get withing 20 yards though, for the best effect.

So as far as the grapeshot is concerned, due to the lower operating pressure to keep it safe, the paintballs will need to be fired against a fairly hard target. Hence anti-tank ammunition. Hmmm, still very interested.

Scepter wrote: Now finally, and is the hose to the ASA flexible enough that it can be attached to a Drop Forward instead of the stock ASA? We manufacture the hose and the hose connectors.  The hose is a flexible PTFE hose with stainless braiding, and able to operate under 3000 psi.  It can be bent in a radius of 2".  It can connect to your marker's drop forward, as long as you can connect the airline connector to the drop forward.  The kit comes with a 13" section of braided airline.

And I couldn't tell from the pictures or your description, does your "airline connector" screw into the normal 1/8 NPT threading ? Or is it a tank adapter in itself?

Since I am a teacher I will likely wait for next summer to purchase, but this is the first paintball item since the A-5 came out that I have been really interested in. Now I just have to decide if my (MP)A-5 needs to be re-adjusted to more of a rifle instead of the submachine gun it is now.

Goin Off Topic fer a bit....Thanks fer the shirt and posters Scepter 

Whiteknight...we do not have a launcher for the 98 yet.  We plan to, though.  It will connect very similarly to the A5. 

Make sure you update your browsers when you check out our site.  It uses the latest flash programming. 

UPDATE to the previous question........

We now make a launcher for any pb marker, including the Tippmann 98 series.  It is the Scepter Universal Launcher.  It uses a RIS rail system, and is mounted under the barrel with our low profile kit, or your own RIS grip on your M4 type marker.

This is a picture of one mounted to a Timmy.  But it will work for the 98's too.

Or, on a ris grip on your pb barrel fore grip.  Here is an example of the flatty version: