Advice (dont lie to me)
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Topic: Advice (dont lie to me)
Posted By: Shotbybothsides
Subject: Advice (dont lie to me)
Date Posted: 14 July 2004 at 11:29pm
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Alright here is what i need I have been trying to maximize the range,accuracy and overall preformance of my Tippmann A5 (i also have a pro/carbine, any advice for this one is welcome too). I have had formal training as a sniper for the rangers and this goes to waste due to the lack of accuracy and range of my current gun configuration. As it stands the only upgrades i have on the gun are a JCS folding combat stock with RVA and a Flatline barrel. I just purchased a 16" Armson Stealth barrel to replace the utterly useless Flatline (yeah it shoots far, but its like a shotgun: no accuracy and the paintballs just bounce off my targets). I have been told to buy a regulator but I have no idea what one is and what it does (I use CO2 not Nitro), what I need is something that can give me consistency from one shot to the next,improve accuracy and range...what parts do I need to buy to do this? ------------- "All you can hope for is the mercy of hell!" |
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Posted By: A5Mercenary
Date Posted: 14 July 2004 at 11:40pm
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Well the flatline is the only thing that is gunna help your range, but
if you want something really good that's cheap in the accuracy
department try a JJ Ceramic or a Lapco Bigshot, I have a 14" JJ as a
backup and it works beautiful, I dunno what's wrong with your flatline
though, I love mine, lets me hit enemies before they can even reach me,
but to everyone else has their own preferences and opinions. Also what
kinda of paint are you using, the Flatline is very picky on paint.
------------- =Guns don't kill people, the government does= C-I Paintball Demo Expert/Support Gunner/Tech Guy |
Posted By: maroon out
Date Posted: 14 July 2004 at 11:57pm
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A flatline is the only legal way to get better distance. End of story.
As A5mercenary said, the J&J and the Lapco are too very good, easy-on-the-wallet choices. A regulator is a device that regulates the amount of air going into the marker. ( http://www.warpig.com/paintball/technical/regulators/howtheywork/index.shtml - How a regulator works. ). They are used mainly with nitrogen/compressed air, but there are a select few that work well with co2. The best of which is the http://www.palmer-pursuit.com/online-catalog/stabilizer.htm - Palmer Stabilizer . Stabilizer's pretty pricy usually around $90 (for the male version, screws into your Tombstone) but will give you overall better efficiency, and consistency. If you use the Stabilizer in conjunction with an anti-siphon, you will have consistency that you could compare to a marker running on nitrogen/compressed air. A Stab. would be your best choice hands down to enhance consistency, if you plan on staying with co2. It also works with nitrogen/compressed air BTW. You will also achieve better accuracy by using fresh, quality paint. Using old, dimpled or cheap paint can hinder accuracy. EDIT: Lol, after reading my post, I sound like a commercial for Glenn Palmer. Hey, maybe we could work out some sorta deal....  ------------- Watch your thoughts they become words Watch your words they become actions Watch your actions they become habits Watch your habits they become character Watch your character it becomes your destin |
Posted By: Shotbybothsides
Date Posted: 15 July 2004 at 12:13am
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I only play with high quality paint (RPS & Draxxus/Diablo) A buddy of mine upgraded his 98c with an expansion chamber and a J&J, it gave me a serious beating. I am aware that there is no "field legal" way to extend the range of a gun other then a flatline barrel, I guess what I ment was improved accuracy and trajectory, not range. I have tried the flatline as well as the JCS Xshort barrel. I got the Armson in hopes of it being of higher quality then the previous barrels (hopefully his J&J as well), for christs sake tell me i didnt waste 80.00
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Posted By: holysmartone
Date Posted: 15 July 2004 at 12:24am
I also have an armson, and Ive have only done target practice with it so far. *Im playing on wednesday * I have found it to be pretty nice, its kinda like a flatline though in that you need a paint with a thick fill to get it to spin well with the rifling though. Wind seems to play a HUGE factor in this barrels performance. Again, its pretty picky on paint also, go with Marballizers, they tend to work pretty good. Havent tried the Draxxus/Diablos before, because Im only 16 and dont have a job. In this case, you pretty much have to choose between accuracy and range/trajectory. The flatline has the range and trajectory, but the armson or J&J or similar brang will have the superior accuracy. Some people say that they get good accuracy with their flatline, but I get the same "shotgun" effect as you at even short range. Hope some of that helps.
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Posted By: MROD
Date Posted: 15 July 2004 at 7:02am
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If you don't like the flatlne (you poor soul) then get a normal barrel and get the Hyper Star Bolt. And there must be something wrong with your flatline, maybe you installed it on an angle. That would cause the balls to curve every time. My fatlne is great and I would never replace it. ------------- I need to find smaller pictures for my profile. |
Posted By: newone
Date Posted: 15 July 2004 at 7:02am
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i was asking the same question at a couple pro shops. and the airsmiths said basically what you did adds distance, but balls don't break after 100 ft.they say the jj ceramic small bore is the way to go. i ordered one they say it is on back order. ------------- A-5 flatline tippmann 14"(s) barrel R/T & now the E-GRIP (accuracy by volume) expansion chamber bsa.red dot polished internals |
Posted By: MROD
Date Posted: 15 July 2004 at 7:04am
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Balls definitley do break after 100 feet. I've knocked out many of my opponants from that far. Maybe they were talking about crappy paint. ------------- I need to find smaller pictures for my profile. |
newone wrote:Posted By: Lightningbolt
Date Posted: 15 July 2004 at 7:13am
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The best thing that's going to give you shot to shot consistancy will be the low pressure kit and HPA. C02 can have major velocity spikes. What is your FPS when chronoing with the flatline. I don't own one personally but I hear you have to turn the velocity down slightly below 280 for the best performance. Can anyone with a flatlined a-5 verify this? |
Posted By: newone
Date Posted: 15 July 2004 at 7:15am
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I have to but i don't argue with people.just saying what the so called pros said. I don't think they own one either. ------------- A-5 flatline tippmann 14"(s) barrel R/T & now the E-GRIP (accuracy by volume) expansion chamber bsa.red dot polished internals |
Posted By: Enos Shenk
Date Posted: 15 July 2004 at 8:27am
*groan* Dont touch the stock bolt. Venturi bolts are, and always have been, a complete scam. ------------- 
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Posted By: SportsJunky2004
Date Posted: 15 July 2004 at 9:05am
| You want another legal way to make your gun shoot farther http://www.webdogradio.us/video/tipclip/WDR14hi.wmv - http://www.webdogradio.us/video/tipclip/WDR14hi.wmv |
Posted By: shooky
Date Posted: 15 July 2004 at 9:40am
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My flatline's accuracy isn't the greatest, but it's not a "shotgun" like you described.
Things you need to keep in mind with the flatline: 1) Keep your FPS below 280. Try to keep it in the range of 260-280. It'll hinder your maximum effective range, but you'll still be able to tag people when their paint is falling at your feet. Any higher than 280, and you run the risk of your paint flying off target. 2) Keep your barrel clean. If there's been a break, it's really humid outside, or if the inside of the barrel is dirty, that's going to really affect the trajectory of your paint. I have a backup barrel for when it rains here (Seattle), but during the Spring and Summer, my flatline works perfectly. 3) Use small bore paint. Even though the bore of the barrel is on the large size, because it curves you need to use smaller paint so that it can be spun via the material inside the barrel. Now for increasing your accuracy (exluding the barrel): 1) Get a regulator. C02 has a tendency to fluctuate wildly because of the expansion from a liquid to a gas state. Because of this, your FPS over the chrono could be +/- 15. A regulator will control your incoming C02 (or HPA) and regulate it down to your desired setting. This could drop the variation to +/- 3 FPS (using HPA). There aren't many regulators designed for C02, however. I recommend the Palmer Stabilizer. Expansion chambers help a lot too, but aren't as good at controlling the amount of pressure entering your marker. They are designed to allow liquid C02 to expand into a gas, but there is no way to really regulate the pressure that enters your marker. 2) Get a HPA tank. Compressed air remains in a gas state in the tank, so when it enters your marker, it's pretty consistent. Check for availability and of compressed air or nitrogen in your area, as that must be a deciding factor in buying a HPA tank. The above two upgrades are to increase your consistency over the chorono. With better consistency, comes with better accuracy. When the velocity of your paintballs are more predictable, your groupings/trajectory is too. This applies to flatline barrels or other barrels. I'm not sure if you have one yet, but I'd suggest getting a red dot sight. I have a BSA 30mm, and it works fantastic. Of course, paintballs are inaccurate compared to bullets, having a really good idea where your groupings (which is what you do with real guns anyways) are going to be can make your flatline much more accurate. Since you have a stock, you may also want to consider getting an off-set sight rail or a raised sight rail. |
Posted By: Project Irene
Date Posted: 15 July 2004 at 10:12am
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Lpk, HPA, Palmer Stab, 14" Boomstick, that's the best of the best. Yeah, what Enos said, don't touch the bolt. Me and a friends experiences with a 12" armson stealth made us sell it and get something else. |
Posted By: Shotbybothsides
Date Posted: 15 July 2004 at 10:53am
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Does Pure Energy/PMI's regulator work on with the CO2 and the A5? http://www.pbreview.com/products/reviews/388 - http://www.pbreview.com/products/reviews/388 (i dont trust this site, to damn many little kids) I just got one for free, a friend of my had one and he gave it to me because he couldnt get it to work on his A5, he said it wouldnt cycle with it attached. Its a $40 regulator so i dont expect anything great. ------------- "All you can hope for is the mercy of hell!" |
Posted By: shooky
Date Posted: 15 July 2004 at 10:56am
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I heard it was a pretty good paper weight. But not a good regulator.
Palmer Stabilizers are a bit expensive, but pretty reliable. Not to mention they have great customer service. I usually get a response from the owner the same day I sent an email. |
Posted By: Shotbybothsides
Date Posted: 15 July 2004 at 11:07am
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thats not what I asked. I'm getting sick of people hocking product (especially palmer) and arguing about how well somthing worked for them that didnt work for me...It didnt work,I need something better & I dont care if it worked for you ------------- "All you can hope for is the mercy of hell!" |
Posted By: hashi2008
Date Posted: 15 July 2004 at 11:11am
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Like shooky said. With any barrel, keep it clean. Oil in the barrel will make the paint curve like crap. Also, it somehow makes wind more of a factor IMO. I have a Brass Eagle squeegee that I use as an extra. I put an old sock on it (it was a no-show, so there was no extra material). It cleans the oil out pretty well, but it is best to wash your barrel with soap and water then use the sock to dry it. ------------- Founder of the "Forumers Against the Ugly Woman Sigs" also known as FAUWS. |
Posted By: thrill_killa
Date Posted: 15 July 2004 at 11:25am
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I just purchased a complete knockout barrel kit for my a-5 off of e-bay for $40.00. It comes with different size backs to match the different size paints with the right size bore. Also it comes with different size fronts to experiment with, from 10 inch to 20 inches. I've allready heard not to buy it, but I did anyway. This kit rocks for the price. And yes it's more accurate then my stainlees steel bigshot. You are not going to get better range than the Flatline but the kit is more accurate over shorter distances.. ------------- "I found my friends-they're in my head" A-5 with RT,Palmer Stabalizer,Stainless Lapco Bigshot,Lapco drop foward, macroline,polished internals |
Posted By: shooky
Date Posted: 15 July 2004 at 11:34am
No need to get your panties in a bunch. You asked for help, and we're trying to give it to you. If you're going to give attitude to people for trying to help you, use the search button instead of asking people to answer the same question that's been answered already. In general, most regulators will not work with C02. And my previous comment was in regards to the quality of the product. If it's not good for HPA, what makes you think it's good for C02? If something works for the majority of the people, and it doesn't work for you, did you ever consider that maybe it's something on your end, and not the product that you're complaining about? |
Posted By: Enos Shenk
Date Posted: 15 July 2004 at 12:54pm
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Good god one of these days i really need to write an article on co2 to get rid of all the annoying myths. You do realize you have to get something (read reg, gun) REALLLLLLY cold before o-rings will start to lose effectiveness? +-15 fps over a chrono on co2 with an a5 is a complete exaggeration. The CVX valve used in the a5 is incredibly good with co2. I personally shot +-5 over a chrono with my a5 with just a crappy 8 year old expansion chamber. Want good co2 performance? Get any reg, and an anti-siphon tube installed in your tank. Want better performance? Get the LP kit, drop your input pressure, and ooh and aah while the laws of physics make your co2 expand as it loses pressure going into the gun. All for less then some fancy giant expensive bulky HPA system. Im sorry to tell people here, but for any gun NOT running at 20cps, HPA is completely unnecessary. All the crap about how horribly bad co2 is, and how wonderfully good HPA is has a name. Hype. -------------
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Posted By: griffen
Date Posted: 15 July 2004 at 12:55pm
| i say keep the flatline and get good with it. i use mine with at 200ft and i get a 8inch spred. just work on you aim and setting the barrel. |
Posted By: shooky
Date Posted: 15 July 2004 at 1:14pm
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+/-15 FPS was not an exaggeration. I didn't have a regulator or expansion chamber on my A-5, don't have an anti-syphon tube for my C02 tank, it was fall in Seattle (cold and wet), and I watched my FPS over the chrono go from 265 to 290+ as I kept firing.
And some of us care about greater consistency. I'm sorry I don't waste paint trying to find my target like the majority of the paintball population. I actually care that my first shot hits its mark. The tighter my grouping is, the safer I feel. Unless you can suggest something that will exceed my lpk, Stabilizer, HPA setup, then I'll stick with what I got. |
Posted By: hashi2008
Date Posted: 15 July 2004 at 5:08pm
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If you want real advice, ask someone who has used both products or go to your local shop and see if you can test some things out. ------------- Founder of the "Forumers Against the Ugly Woman Sigs" also known as FAUWS. |
Posted By: Erik
Date Posted: 15 July 2004 at 5:24pm
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Maybe you just need the velocity adjusted? ------------- My sig is stupid. |
Posted By: 98c Dude13
Date Posted: 15 July 2004 at 5:26pm
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If you want a really good barrel I wouldn't get the arson stealth barrel because I heard it sucks and I would get the 14" whisper barrel because my friend's A-5 has one and it's really accurate.And it shoots pretty straight for the first about 75 feet then starts to drop a bit. And if you want even straighter shots I would get a nitro tank you get way straighter shots than C02 does they don't swerve nearly as much. ------------- TIPPMANN 98 CUSTOM 14" Progressive barrel 32* Black gel grips BT-16 Double trigger Pen Spring Mod X-core Expansion Chamber Vertical Adapter |
Posted By: Erik
Date Posted: 15 July 2004 at 5:29pm
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Maybe your gun is messed up. If you shoot an email to mailto:tech@tippmann.com - tech@tippmann.com and tell them that you are having accuracy problems, tell them ... ohh, I dunno ... that your barrel threads are messed up or something completely false, they will "repair" it (replace it) with a better 98 Custom with better performance free of charge (except for shipping). Maybe you just got a bad apple. ------------- My sig is stupid. |
Posted By: Btpp_333
Date Posted: 15 July 2004 at 5:37pm
lol  , thats funny, but true------------- i really, just dont care anymore |
Posted By: Shotbybothsides
Date Posted: 15 July 2004 at 8:16pm
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Yeah i'm really getting tired of this little kid right here, this is exactly what I didnt want to deal with, another bozo like on PBreview spouting bullcrap and starting fights. Anyway i went to my local( and professional) paintball supply store and asked the pros, I got what i needed to know from them, thanks anyway. ------------- "All you can hope for is the mercy of hell!" |
Posted By: Enos Shenk
Date Posted: 16 July 2004 at 4:45am
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I would choose to listen to shooky over your arrogant attitude any day.
He was absolutely right on the money for criticising your flipping out.
If your going to ask for advice, you can either accept the advice given
and thank the people that bothered to help you, or you can ignore it
and shut up. Getting nasty because you dont like the advice is ignorant. We also have language rules on this board which i suggest you read http://www.tippmann.com/players/forum/wwf77a/forum_posts.asp?TID=106496&PN=1 - here -------------
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Posted By: shooky
Date Posted: 16 July 2004 at 9:26am
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Heh. So now we've degraded to calling each other children?
I answered your question, but apparently my answer wasn't clear enough for you. I answered your question again, and now you're accusing me of trying to start a fight? You may not like the answers you hear, that doesn't mean you're always right. I would think, since you claim to be an adult, you would have learned this by now. Then again, some people are just a little slow. |
Posted By: SnakeEyes
Date Posted: 16 July 2004 at 9:54am
I am interested in this guys statement on the Stabalizer not working for him. Why did,'t it work for you? What did you do to it? What did you let someone else do to it? For C02 there really isn't anything better out there in the way of a regulator. Either you got a defective one, or more likely you screwed it up yourself. And I like the high and mighty attitude. Very cute. So how old are you my Army Ranger? Obviously not old enough to act like a mature adult so you probably shouldn't be finishing Ranger training as well. You asked a question and had it respectfully answered with a good product. Way to be a complete baby. Go back to your so called training, our sport doesn't need you. ------------- Which falls faster, a lead ball or your IQ after reading some of these posts? http://www.pennstatepaintball.com" rel="nofollow - PSU Paintball |
Posted By: SnakeEyes
Date Posted: 16 July 2004 at 10:00am
Wow, just wow. It still amazes me that people might not understand that concept. That however is a great video. Right to the point, clear and simple. ------------- Which falls faster, a lead ball or your IQ after reading some of these posts? http://www.pennstatepaintball.com" rel="nofollow - PSU Paintball |
Posted By: pjw311
Date Posted: 17 July 2004 at 11:32pm
| you need nitro and a good barrel ( evil ) make sure you get a good paint/barrel match. Barrel lengths don't matter that much believe it or not! |
Posted By: Mongo-Lloyd
Date Posted: 18 July 2004 at 12:56pm
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My friend has found the most effective paintballs to use for his A-5 flatline are high grade evils. They'll break at long range, and you'll be happy you spent thousands of dollars on Evil. ------------- I never call you a sucker when I bunker you, but you can guarantee I'm thinkin it. |
Posted By: Erik
Date Posted: 18 July 2004 at 11:41pm
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Enos, since you are representing the company I think you should stop acting like a bigshot internet junkie and talk like a professional, or just monitor the boards for offenses quietly instead of arguing. ------------- My sig is stupid. |
Posted By: S\/\/4T-L()G4N
Date Posted: 19 July 2004 at 8:49am
I don't have one, but yes, the most effective velocity for a flatline barrel (98c or A-5) is 260-280 FPS.
Come again. I have no clue what you are talking about. And no, balls will not CONSISTANTLY break after 100 feet. ------------- 
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Posted By: A5 dude15
Date Posted: 19 July 2004 at 10:58am
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