So, I got scammed...
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Topic: So, I got scammed...
Posted By: jeep 98 custom
Subject: So, I got scammed...
Date Posted: 28 July 2004 at 10:33pm
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Alright, I've been getting a bunch of PM's asking what happened with my
Shocker, so I'm gonna tell all of you, weither you cared or not. I was bidding on a Shocker on ebay, and lost. The next day the seller emailed me saying he'd sell it to me because the winning bidder didn't have the money to pay for it. So I emailed the winning bidder, he said he told the seller he didn't have enough for a few days, and hadn't heard from the seller since, and wasn't surprised he offered to sell it to me. So I went ahead and sent the guy $665 via Western Union like he wanted, and paid a $59 Western Union fee, putting my total up to $724. He picked up the money, emailed me saying he sent it and it'd be to me last tuesday, and I havn't heard from him since. Tuesday came and went, and I emailed him several times, getting no answer. Now I checked on ebay, and he got feedback from the high bidder saying he got the gun. I talked to the high bidder and sure enough, he has it. So I'm out $724. I'm trying to find a way to get his adress, that way I can take him to small claims court. But untill I can find that, I'm screwed. And I sold my A-5 to afford this gun, so now with the exception of my pump, I'm gunless. It really sucks.... ------------- "Yes there are two path you can go back, but in the long run, there's still time to change the road you're on" 
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Posted By: Koolit32
Date Posted: 28 July 2004 at 10:34pm
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Notify eBay immediately, they will help you out. That really sucks :| |
Posted By: WANNA BE
Date Posted: 28 July 2004 at 10:36pm
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i had something like that happen to me when i was buying a digital camera....it sucks -------------  
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Posted By: -ProDigY-
Date Posted: 28 July 2004 at 10:36pm
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humanely possible. That really sucks, Jeep, hope you get everything sorted out. ------------- 
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Posted By: Koolit32
Date Posted: 28 July 2004 at 10:44pm
| Also, sounds like the winning bidder is in on it. Check to see if his feedback is low and its a fake account. Good luck getting your money back. |
Posted By: Smitty
Date Posted: 28 July 2004 at 10:45pm
| ALWAYS make sure you have pay pal so if you get ripped off you can get your money back. |
Posted By: Dan db09
Date Posted: 28 July 2004 at 10:46pm
| dude seriously talk to ebay get his adress and get his username deleted. i feel real bad for you man. tats why i dont buy the product unless i see it or if its from a major company |
Posted By: Multi-Colored J
Date Posted: 28 July 2004 at 10:47pm
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You can take him to court or put a brick through his window or something. ------------- X |
Posted By: MSG.Mobius
Date Posted: 28 July 2004 at 10:47pm
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People suck. ------------- 
Coming in May 2005! |
Posted By: boomstick
Date Posted: 28 July 2004 at 10:47pm
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i really hope you get your money back ------------- YONK~!~ |
Posted By: Fallout_soldier
Date Posted: 28 July 2004 at 10:47pm
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I here western union gets scamed a lot. ------------- 
Canada http://media.ebaumsworld.com/index.php?e=atomicbomb.wmv |
Posted By: laughingman
Date Posted: 28 July 2004 at 10:49pm
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thats the reson im afraid to buy stuff online ------------- laugh and grow fat |
Posted By: paintball5111
Date Posted: 28 July 2004 at 10:51pm
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you can not enform ebay because your biggest mistake was doing that you should of told him to re list it with a buy it now so it could be saw that you acually won it. but sence you did it out of ebay, ebay has nothing to do with it so sorry to break the news becuase ebay cant do nothing about. but trust me i believe you |
Posted By: MSG.Mobius
Date Posted: 28 July 2004 at 10:52pm
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Yea, I wouldn't have done that. -------------
Coming in May 2005! |
Posted By: matt06
Date Posted: 28 July 2004 at 11:02pm
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you got served...
but seriously..talk to ebay.. |
Posted By: Dan db09
Date Posted: 28 July 2004 at 11:04pm
if that was my money ide be 
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Posted By: jeep 98 custom
Date Posted: 28 July 2004 at 11:19pm
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I emailed ebay about it, hopefully they can help me, but they probably
won't. I also emailed the guy that won it, asking him to send me the
guys info. If I can get that, he's gonna find himself getting slapped
with a lawsuit. I really hope the winner will cooperate.....
------------- "Yes there are two path you can go back, but in the long run, there's still time to change the road you're on"
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Posted By: PlentifulBalls
Date Posted: 28 July 2004 at 11:20pm
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It seems you are up crap creek without a paddle. If you told ebay that
he scammed you, they MIGHT contact the proper authorities and give you
a break, but I doubt it. But this could be bad publicity for ebay. Oh,
and what are the seller/buyer names.
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sporx wrote: well...ya i prolly will be a virgin till i'm at least 30. |
Posted By: Belt #2
Date Posted: 28 July 2004 at 11:23pm
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You win the super special prize. If we can get the user names, we can find out who did business with them... Which means we can probibly get addresses... ------------- Most importantly - People suck. |
PlentifulBalls wrote:Posted By: Panda Man
Date Posted: 28 July 2004 at 11:24pm
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I would never buy anything of Ebay... you almost begging to get your money stolen from them... ------------- 
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Posted By: jeep 98 custom
Date Posted: 28 July 2004 at 11:24pm
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Seller is rking666, buyer is ka1istae. If it comes down to it, I may have to win whatever the next thing he sells is, that way I can get his info... ------------- "Yes there are two path you can go back, but in the long run, there's still time to change the road you're on"
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Posted By: Belt #2
Date Posted: 28 July 2004 at 11:26pm
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Ok, I'm revoking that other Super Special prize I gave out earlier.... Follow their sales, and wait until they sell something you want, or something cheap... (but be aware of the statute of limitations) Win it, and try to get their info... You're brilliant... ------------- Most importantly - People suck. |
Posted By: PlentifulBalls
Date Posted: 28 July 2004 at 11:28pm
But I won it first. MWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRGGGGGG -------------
sporx wrote: well...ya i prolly will be a virgin till i'm at least 30. |
Posted By: paintballaluke
Date Posted: 28 July 2004 at 11:31pm
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Oh man that sucks jeep. Yeah make sure you serve him. Both the buyer and seller are in on this im guessing. Good luck. ------------- New Black Matrix. |
Posted By: CarbineKid
Date Posted: 28 July 2004 at 11:36pm
| Im no lawyer but I believe anything over $500 in stolen goods constitutes a felony. I would talk to your local police dept and see what they advise, I thinkthis is a god case of fraud. You do still have proof of payment(right?), and SAVE all of your e-mails!!!! I think E-mailing e-bay wll be a long process, and probably useless. Good luck and PLEASE keep us all informed |
Posted By: Belt #2
Date Posted: 28 July 2004 at 11:42pm
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------------- Most importantly - People suck. |
Posted By: thecorpseman
Date Posted: 28 July 2004 at 11:42pm
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=
16048&item=3687264781 Look at the item location. He lives in poway, california. |
Posted By: PlentifulBalls
Date Posted: 28 July 2004 at 11:45pm
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Do I sense another P-p-p-powerbook type deal?
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sporx wrote: well...ya i prolly will be a virgin till i'm at least 30. |
Posted By: jeep 98 custom
Date Posted: 28 July 2004 at 11:46pm
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I'm going to inform the police, I have all the emails saved, and the receipt from Western Union.
------------- "Yes there are two path you can go back, but in the long run, there's still time to change the road you're on"
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Posted By: spydero99
Date Posted: 28 July 2004 at 11:46pm
------------- erm, eh, well, ok, your right, i am sorry Enos, i dont know what i ever did, but you have jurasdiction over the forum, so, i am sorry for all i have done to offen you Enos |
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( http://feedback.ebay.com/ws1/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=ka1istae - 5 ) 
Posted By: Solipsism
Date Posted: 28 July 2004 at 11:48pm
If thats really where the guy lives Hades could pay him a visit because thats about 20 miles from San Diego. 
Not trying to be an ass or anything, but this is God's way of telling you that you don't need a stinking Smart Parts gun 
On another note, I hope you get your money back, even though the situation doesn't look good because you essentially made the purchase outside of ebay. -------------  http://solipsism.ath.cx - solipsism.ath.cx |
Posted By: AdmiralSenn
Date Posted: 28 July 2004 at 11:49pm
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Yikes! That's one of the risks of eBay, can't tell if the person is honest.
Ebay usually helps me out when I sell/buy stuff and hit snags, last time I did it I got a response in about an hour. Good luck, and I'm betting you'll get the money back somehow. ------------- Is God real? You'll find out when you die. 
Okay, I don't have a clever signature zinger. So sue me. |
Posted By: Belt #2
Date Posted: 28 July 2004 at 11:49pm
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If this is a felony, Ebay will be REQUIRED to give out either the IP address(es) of the people involved, or any other contact info they have (which is street address, city, state, zip, etc). So yeah... this guy is screwed...
Do you live in the same state as this moron? Beacuse if you live in different states, isn't it out of the jurisdiction of one state or the other? Wouldn't that mean that the feds would have to get involved? ------------- Most importantly - People suck. |
Posted By: jeep 98 custom
Date Posted: 28 July 2004 at 11:50pm
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^^^I don't think it really is, he had me send him the money to a
western union agent in Cambridge, MA. I already told rednekk98 to hunt
him down for me.
------------- "Yes there are two path you can go back, but in the long run, there's still time to change the road you're on"
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Posted By: VisionIMP
Date Posted: 28 July 2004 at 11:54pm
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Jeep can you get me the item number of the auction, i think i may be able to get his phone number and stuff for you... ------------- 
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Posted By: thecorpseman
Date Posted: 28 July 2004 at 11:55pm
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http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?country=US&
countryid=US&addtohistory=&searchtab=address& searchtype=address&address=&city=poway&state=ca& zipcode=&search=++Search++ |
Posted By: VisionIMP
Date Posted: 29 July 2004 at 12:00am
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I think that the buyer and seller are the same person. If you look under the buyers feedback he never got any from the seller but the buyer gave some the the seller. Another way of ripping people off. It wont let me get his info either cuz he hasnt been involved in any recent transactions. I think it means recent recent. Like yesterday recent. -------------
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Posted By: thecorpseman
Date Posted: 29 July 2004 at 12:02am
| Jeep whats your ebay name? |
Posted By: VisionIMP
Date Posted: 29 July 2004 at 12:04am
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TheCorpseman give me the guys adress i have an idea. If you have it. You posted something with map quest up there, thought you might. -------------
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Posted By: thecorpseman
Date Posted: 29 July 2004 at 12:06am
| No adress sorry just showing where poway,california is. |
Posted By: VisionIMP
Date Posted: 29 July 2004 at 12:07am
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o well the zip code the poway is 92064. I could get his adress and number but like i said up there..no dice. -------------
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Posted By: thecorpseman
Date Posted: 29 July 2004 at 12:08am
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http://feedback.ebay.com/ws1/
eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedbackFromBuyers&userid=rking666& items=-1&item=-1&de=off Get it in another window. There is a contact member button. |
Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 29 July 2004 at 12:34am
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FYI: Dont delete any e-mail or messages relating to this incident. Print them out as soon as possible. They will be used as evidence in your civil suit and possibly a criminal suit. Good Luck. ------------- 
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Posted By: Enos Shenk
Date Posted: 29 July 2004 at 12:47am
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Hahaha Ka1istae? For the prettiest one eh? ------------- 
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Posted By: thecorpseman
Date Posted: 29 July 2004 at 12:59am
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HUH??? ------------- FAPM- Forumers against PopeMobile. |
Posted By: PbSplintercell
Date Posted: 29 July 2004 at 2:22am
i live near cambridge........so do u want a car bomb or house bomb? -------------   <thanx enos
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Posted By: cadet_sergeant
Date Posted: 29 July 2004 at 7:01am
wow that sucks same thing happened to me with a bullet prof vest (level 2) i was out $589 
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Posted By: Nrtheastah
Date Posted: 29 July 2004 at 7:52am
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Good luck with your pursuit of this, but you will have to ask yourself; how far are you willing to go and how much are you willing to spend on lawyer fees and time invested to recoup any of your losses? Ebay WILL NOT help you. This transaction was done outside of their normal processes and they have made it clear that they absolutely discourage this kind of thing for this very reason. Unfortunately, the reality is that Ebay will not assist you, they don’t have to. They won’t do it to be nice, they just won’t do it. This scam happens countless times every day, too many to ever count or track, let alone try to resolve. Another reality is that you will have to work with police and lawyers to effect any sort of resolution on this. Again, this kind of thing goes on all the time and it is doubtful that the police will devote any significant amount of time or resources on this case. Ask anyone who has been a victim of identity theft and you’ll see what I mean. The same goes for any lawyers you hire. If you decide to sue this person or otherwise prosecute, you will have to pay lawyer fees. You could also sue for legal costs but again, the chances of getting anything back out of this are extremely slim. Good luck. |
Posted By: NotDaveEllis
Date Posted: 29 July 2004 at 7:58am
Why the hell were you buying a bullet proof vest anyways |
Posted By: bigmike102
Date Posted: 29 July 2004 at 8:42am
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uh oh....
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Posted By: [FI]
Date Posted: 29 July 2004 at 8:44am
It may just be a crap lesson to learn... ------------- Don't believe everything you think I can resist anything but temptation |
Posted By: SandMan
Date Posted: 29 July 2004 at 9:01am
This is exactly correct. EBay won't help you and will probably suspend your account in the process. Their usage agreement is explicit in this particular area since it's such a large problem. Sorry, man, unless you want to hire a PI and all that jazz, you've pretty much just purchased an education. By all means, read through the EBay stuff on fraud and find the government link they provide for reporting stuff like this. It probably won't help you, but at least it'll be a heads up to the authorities. ------------- Real Men Love Cheeses |
Posted By: pimptastik
Date Posted: 29 July 2004 at 9:43am
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i think he is a cop....or a psycho....hope u get your money back jeep. i would be freakin out. i would be hopping the next plane out there staying with hades...no wait not hades...i would be staying in a motel and then drive down to where ever he lives and tell him money back or we go to court.
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Posted By: JoeG254-PB
Date Posted: 29 July 2004 at 10:37am
| Yeah Ithink if you do find this guy and decide to sue the lawyer fees would be more than what you paid for the gun |
Posted By: SandMan
Date Posted: 29 July 2004 at 10:42am
Generally, lawyers are not allowed in Small Claims. But I'm sure there would be expenditures associated with tracking the guy down. Definitely keep ALL communications and paperwork. ------------- Real Men Love Cheeses |
Posted By: oreomann33
Date Posted: 29 July 2004 at 11:15am
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that sucks majorly. ------------- 
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Posted By: Big D844
Date Posted: 29 July 2004 at 11:35am
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I agree. I buy online occasionally, but only through a major website. No online bidding. I wouldn't bid at an auction, much less one that takes place online. Granted ebay has been around a while, but that doesn't make me feel any better. ------------- |
Posted By: MetallicaESPa5
Date Posted: 29 July 2004 at 11:36am
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ah man. that really does suck. i hope you get your money back. good luck. ------------- 
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Posted By: SandMan
Date Posted: 29 July 2004 at 11:37am
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If you actually use EBay correctly, it works very well and is quite safe. Perpetrating fraud through EBay is a seriously bad idea.
But there are ways around the security, ways EBay warns you about. Truly, the poster of this thread was scammed because he wasn't careful. ------------- Real Men Love Cheeses |
Posted By: [Deadeye]
Date Posted: 29 July 2004 at 11:56am
| i read the 5 or so feedback that the buyer had... one of the auctions he won was from a guy called 'mcpro'.... he has a paintball store on ebay, and is a trusted dealer ... that is where i got my gun from... im not sure, but i dont think the buyer was in on this, and i honestly dont thing he would have to be... the seller could have potentially scammed anyone who bid on the gun before the highest bid, saying that none of the higher bidders had their money or whatever.... i hope you can get this resolved as soon as possible |
Posted By: ThEeViLcHiCkEn
Date Posted: 29 July 2004 at 1:36pm
| can i see the item #? |
Posted By: stick_boy_2002
Date Posted: 29 July 2004 at 1:41pm
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sue the bejesus otta him. ------------- 
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Posted By: SandMan
Date Posted: 29 July 2004 at 1:53pm
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Who's to say the guy who claimed to be the seller was actually the seller? A lot of times, someone poses as the seller after the auction to scam you. I seriously doubt it was the same guy.
You can't go by EBay feedback when you buy outside of a protected EBay transaction. It doesn't mean anything. ------------- Real Men Love Cheeses |
Posted By: Nrtheastah
Date Posted: 29 July 2004 at 2:33pm
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Sandman is right, Ebay WILL NOT help out with this. And as far as suing the seller, or whoever he is, that costs time and money to organize and follow through with. Local law enforcement is unlikely to do much besides file a report. Believe me, there are not going to be detectives assigned to this, staking out his house. Private investigators cost money. Lawyers cost money. Even if you do get as far as identifying the individual and charging him with something, recouping any money will be a monumental task, even if you won any civil proceeding. It will be years and many thousands of dollars later. You could do it for the principle of the thing, but be prepared; doing it for that reason is great, but only if you have the funds and time to burn. Sorry to sound so negative, but this is the reality. Chalk it up to experience and learn the lesson from it. Hopefully, you will have helped to prevent it from happening to someone else, based on the information posted here. SELECT COUNT(*) FROM EBAY_USER, BOUGHT \ WHERE \ (A.FUNDS_SENT > {1} \ AND A.PACKAGE_RECEIVED = {1} \ RETURN ALL ROWS [0 Rows Retuned] |
Posted By: SandMan
Date Posted: 29 July 2004 at 3:28pm
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Uhhh... If you're selecting COUNT(), wouldn't you get a return value of 0 instead of a '[0 Rows Returned]' message?
That syntax is a little different from the T-SQL I'm accustomed to (guessing it's Oracle), but I'm thinking COUNT() works basically the same. ------------- Real Men Love Cheeses |
Posted By: MSG.Mobius
Date Posted: 29 July 2004 at 4:46pm
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Exactly.... -------------
Coming in May 2005! |
Posted By: 98God
Date Posted: 29 July 2004 at 5:51pm
| this is why im not a fan of ebay |
Posted By: -The Unknown
Date Posted: 29 July 2004 at 6:13pm
| P-A-Y-P-A-L |
Posted By: mbro
Date Posted: 29 July 2004 at 9:30pm
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Cripes jeep. What were you thinking? If you were going to do a deal out side of ebay at least do escrow. They warn you about this stuff all the time. Western Union is not protected. Geez. ------------- 
Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos. |
Posted By: rootsradicals
Date Posted: 29 July 2004 at 9:46pm
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well, Jeep won another Shocker tonight, and he did go with PayPal (thats what I'm told) ------------- WWBDD?  |
Posted By: j2duhr
Date Posted: 29 July 2004 at 11:09pm
Hmm, if at first you don't succeed throw money away until you do.  ------------- yay do i win? |
Posted By: jeep 98 custom
Date Posted: 29 July 2004 at 11:16pm
Nope, didn't work out this time either. I was about to pay, when the seller emailed me saying he alreadu sold it. So I lose out again. I'm having crappy luck trying to get a hold of a Shocker.... ------------- "Yes there are two path you can go back, but in the long run, there's still time to change the road you're on"
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Posted By: thecorpseman
Date Posted: 29 July 2004 at 11:32pm
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How are you paying for a new shocker if u just lost
$724??????? ------------- FAPM- Forumers against PopeMobile. |
Posted By: j2duhr
Date Posted: 29 July 2004 at 11:34pm
------------- yay do i win? |
Posted By: jeep 98 custom
Date Posted: 29 July 2004 at 11:43pm
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^^^I've got money in my savings, that's where the first $700 came from, now I'll just have more to pay back than expected. New news on the scam, I got an email from the seller today from a different email adress, he says he has no clue what I'm talking about. Either he's playing stupid, or more likely, it was someone different that scammed me. ------------- "Yes there are two path you can go back, but in the long run, there's still time to change the road you're on"
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Posted By: NMLvaio
Date Posted: 30 July 2004 at 12:48am
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Posted By: tippmann89c
Date Posted: 30 July 2004 at 12:50am
| WoW... that sucks really bad... sorry man. |
Posted By: paintballaluke
Date Posted: 30 July 2004 at 11:35pm
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So any news jeep? ------------- New Black Matrix. |
Posted By: Ilikepaintball1
Date Posted: 30 July 2004 at 11:55pm
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Jeep we need updated news?!!! ------------- 
Autococker Fund 100/500$$$$ |