Both boards have their ups and downs. I believe the NVidia board is faster, but it is dual slot and sucks the juice. I would get the ATI board.

hybrid-sniper wrote: The new NVidia 6800 whoops the X800 XT Platinum in almost all the benchmarks, but it requires TWO 12v leads from a high quality Power Supply, such as a PC Power and Cooling model. So, add at least 100 bucks to the 499$ the card costs, and the ATI board is a winner.

Go play Playstation

Unless you get your info at nVidia.com I wouldn't be suprised. Because the benchmarks are actually too close to call. Neither card is faster. But the X800 doesn't need a mega power supply to make sure it runs, and is quiter, but I think they fixed that.

But I don't like Play Station!

I got the Benchmarks from PC Gamer. The NVidia board beat the ATI board pretty soundly in most of the Benchmarks. I still like the ATI board better, though.

hybrid-sniper wrote: But I don't like Play Station! I got the Benchmarks from PC Gamer. The NVidia board beat the ATI board pretty soundly in most of the Benchmarks. I still like the ATI board better, though.

But everyone loves Playstation!

PC Gamers benchmarks are really close and if you take time to read, it says "ATI wins this one by a 12 volt..."

And it recieves a 93% and nVidia 90%.

I always prefer ATI it's always single-slot cards over nVidia, it's a preference because both are always close by.

Sammy wrote: O yea do you guys think i should blow the money on a X800, or should i just get a 9800 xt for now. Also will the 9800 xt run half life 2? Thanks

Half Life 2's Release Date is TBA (At least according to Game Spot), so I'd wait on buying a board. Heck, it may not come out for another year and a half, and any board available today would likely be obsolete. I would wait.

MSG.Mobius wrote: hybrid-sniper wrote: But I don't like Play Station! I got the Benchmarks from PC Gamer. The NVidia board beat the ATI board pretty soundly in most of the Benchmarks. I still like the ATI board better, though. But everyone loves Playstation! PC Gamers benchmarks are really close and if you take time to read, it says "ATI wins this one by a 12 volt..." And it recieves a 93% and nVidia 90%. I always prefer ATI it's always single-slot cards over nVidia, it's a preference because both are always close by.

Yup, single slot and low power requirements always are best. Sometimes I get too wrapped up in certain things. Sorry!

Sammy wrote: The Nvidia only has 1 more feature than the X800xt, and its some sort of shader. But theres only 1 game right now that cam take advanatge of it, Far cry. So i honestly dont see the point of 2 pci slots, extra power supply, and an extra 100 bucks. Now the 6800 gt might be worth it though..

That's not true, nVidias features can't be realised until DirectX 9.0c or sometihng like that. ATI has a different system of shaders, which surpesses Geforece's. Once again it's all preference because the human eye can not recieve that many FPS, so a 5 or 10 Frame diffrence will not make an impact.

hybrid-sniper wrote: Sammy wrote: O yea do you guys think i should blow the money on a X800, or should i just get a 9800 xt for now. Also will the 9800 xt run half life 2? Thanks Half Life 2's Release Date is TBA, so I'd wait on buying a board. Heck, it may not come out for another year and a half, and any board available today would likely be obsolete. I would wait.

Sorry to break your heart but the realese date is Sept. 30, 2004. Kinda funny, that was last year's release date. Straight out of Valve, but you can't trust them, you can trsut ID cause thats the only date they have given us.

I think HL-2 will be relasesed October the latest, but will be gold, Spetember.

9800 Pro and XT are the same thing, exept for clock speeds which make no difference in games like Doom 3 and others to come. Because those games use parts of your card that no other games do, you cant not overclock those parts.

I say get the X800 right before Half Lifes realses, by then it should be cheaper and might still bundle HF2.

PaintballWizard wrote: 6800gt > x800 pro 16 pipelines vs 12 9800xt 8 pipelines. If you want a card better then the 9800xt for less the 6800 is the way to go and you get far cry for free and it is almost par with the x800.

The difference in pipelines has no visual effect.

Sammy wrote: Isnt the Gt same witht he x800pro? But the x800 pro is cheaper?

They cost they same and are pretty close.

X800 PE by the way.

Variable wrote: Sammy wrote: The Nvidia only has 1 more feature than the X800xt, and its some sort of shader. But theres only 1 game right now that cam take advanatge of it, Far cry. So i honestly dont see the point of 2 pci slots, extra power supply, and an extra 100 bucks. Now the 6800 gt might be worth it though.. Vertex Shader 3.0. I don't know where hybrid gets his information but the majority of the benchmarks I've seen favor the x800.

Different benchmarks will favor whos ever pocket their in. Just kidding, but the PC's they test on differ. Not all PC set ups are compatible.

youm0nt wrote: Sammy wrote: The Nvidia only has 1 more feature than the X800xt, and its some sort of shader. But theres only 1 game right now that cam take advanatge of it, Far cry. So i honestly dont see the point of 2 pci slots, extra power supply, and an extra 100 bucks. Now the 6800 gt might be worth it though.. i dont about you,but not many people use the pci slot next to the video card.i dont

Some people have sound cards, ethernet cards and other products.

Super NEWB wrote: i think that the 9800 pro will be fine for HL2 because it was originally gonna package a copy of HL2 with the card and many were shipped with a certificate that would get you the game when it as released

I got a free HL2 with a 9600 xt that I bought when building a PC for a freind.

Intergrated sound is poop.

I have a fan in a PCI, cooling my video card(its uber cool)

And a Audigy Gamer.

youm0nt wrote: MSG.Mobius wrote: Intergrated sound is poop. not nVidia soundstorm

I don't know, but for games or music stuff you need something better.

Whatever floats your boat.

Sorry dude but pipelines do make a differance go read some reviews.

Oh the 6800gt favors AMD 64 bit systems  so far.

Sorry for bringing up an old topic.

Oh and most of the stuff is now actually intergrated into the mobo like youm0nt said.

Youm0nt nice bike fund lol 16 grand what a waste.

PaintballWizard wrote: Sorry dude but pipelines do make a differance go read some reviews. Oh the 6800gt favors AMD 64 bit systems  so far.   Sorry for bringing up an old topic.   Oh and most of the stuff is now actually intergrated into the mobo like youm0nt said.   Youm0nt nice bike fund lol 16 grand what a waste.

I meant that so far the extra pipelines didn't make a big difference. I am sure x800PE would have been faster with the same number of PL as 6800

BTW for 16,000 you can buy a sweet ride.

Why dont you lease the bike?

Your not really gonna save that much money?

Random_Person wrote: i like Nvivdia better i think their cards are faster, but now i have a Matrox, an old one, i was on a tight budget when i got my computer

No offense but you propably don't know much about computers.

Speed is not about opnion, it's about stats.

And the computer that they benchmark on are MADE for benchmarks, they do all kind od things to optimize that regular people don't.

LOL I have a Matrox too. It's on the shelf as an antique, along with a Pentium I equivalent processor. I believe that system once ran Doom(prolly not)

Solipsism wrote: I really dont see why people complain about the newer nvidia cards taking up two slots. I havent even filled up all my slots and I have 2 video cards, a raid card, sound card, and a USB add in card. ATI = Canada = booooooo and if you want to use Apples new 30" cinema display you have no choice but to get a 6800 because its the only card that will run it.

Once again it's preference.

Both are equally fast and no matter what ATI or nVidia come up with the other will keep up.

For now the nVidia is loader, has large 2 slot cooler which in turn takes up more power.

IMO Ati for a small Canadian company they have a history of better card and turn cheaper WAY faster.

A 9600 Xt is the same price as 5200 Ultra and is twice as fast(really is)

MSG.Mobius wrote: Random_Person wrote: i like Nvivdia better i think their cards are faster, but now i have a Matrox, an old one, i was on a tight budget when i got my computer No offense but you propably don't know much about computers. Speed is not about opnion, it's about stats. And the computer that they benchmark on are MADE for benchmarks, they do all kind od things to optimize that regular people don't. LOL I have a Matrox too. It's on the shelf as an antique, along with a Pentium I equivalent processor. I believe that system once ran Doom(prolly not)

 i know quite a bit about computers but i haven't kept up with any of the new benchmarks. sry but last time i checked Nvivdia was slightly faster (thats why i said think their cards are faster) 

my matrox is in an 1 ghz AMD and the guy that built it for us didn't know crap and my dad didn't think i could build a computer then.

and i still have another computer with a pentium 166 and i play doom 2 on it when i get bored. 

Random_Person wrote: MSG.Mobius wrote: Random_Person wrote: i like Nvivdia better i think their cards are faster, but now i have a Matrox, an old one, i was on a tight budget when i got my computer No offense but you propably don't know much about computers. Speed is not about opnion, it's about stats. And the computer that they benchmark on are MADE for benchmarks, they do all kind od things to optimize that regular people don't. LOL I have a Matrox too. It's on the shelf as an antique, along with a Pentium I equivalent processor. I believe that system once ran Doom(prolly not)  i know quite a bit about computers but i haven't kept up with any of the new benchmarks. sry but last time i checked Nvivdia was slightly faster (thats why i said think their cards are faster)  my matrox is in an 1 ghz AMD and the guy that built it for us didn't know crap and my dad didn't think i could build a computer then. and i still have another computer with a pentium 166 and i play doom 2 on it when i get bored.

I wanna play Doom 2...

come over i'll fire up the old computer, it is such an awesome game

DOOM 2 FOREVER!!!

Ohh this started a flame war..... I personally would take a 6800> ati x800pro its the same pipelines and faster although the x800 pro will have 256 mb of memory but if you have enough ram I dont see how it would play a big factor yet.....

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Does that sound wrong?

Anyway this round Nivida pulls ahead, good for them actually ati has mainly most of the time been ahead.