n02 nd low preasure kits
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Topic: n02 nd low preasure kits
Posted By: deltasniper101
Subject: n02 nd low preasure kits
Date Posted: 01 August 2004 at 10:08pm
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<<<<im kinda new i want to know why is n02 and low preasure kits so popular isnt just the same as 02 but under alot less preasure...im very sorry but im inda new and im trying to firure this stuff out
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Posted By: 5ptcontingency
Date Posted: 01 August 2004 at 11:32pm
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Not to be rude, but I must point out that NO2 (nitrous oxide) is not used in paintball. But, yes the terms, nitrogen, nitro, N2, HPA, compressed air, are all the same for the sake of simplicity. Though air is different from pure nitrogen, for paintball, it would only really matter if for some reason you needed to breathe the gas from your tank. And, that would just be dumb. Also, the low pressure kit is not dependant on gas source. You can use CO2 or HPA. |
Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 02 August 2004 at 12:34am
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Yup^^^. Do you want us to explain HPA further? |
Posted By: 98sniper
Date Posted: 02 August 2004 at 1:11am
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hpa is compressed air. just like whats in a scuba tank. co2 is a real active gas so it isn't consistant as hp because its very stable under anything. so thats why people use hp because it won't make there gun spike as much. ------------- 98c x chamber revi 12vlt w/x bko halo tsa backman shocktech drop soon to get e orracle 
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Posted By: deltasniper101
Date Posted: 02 August 2004 at 11:44am
| ooo sorry about the n02 thing but i have 98 custom with flatline and i am a long range attacker support(sniper) and i was wondering if it would be a good idea to switch from c02 to hpa? |
Posted By: Creep Mode
Date Posted: 02 August 2004 at 11:53am
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HPA Compressed Air/Nitrogen These terms are all used interchangeably; the only real difference in them is the fact that Compressed air is simply what we are breathing right now (78.1% Nitrogen,19.8% Oxygen, and 2.1% Other Gasses), and Nitrogen is 100% Nitrogen gas. HPA and Nitrogen are stored in a tank, under pressure, as a gas. HPA and Nitrogen are both very stable. The pressure of HPA and Nitrogen in a tank, will change a little bit with temperature. It will not change pressure as radically as a gas that is liquefied, like CO2. CO2 is stored in a tank, under pressure, as both a liquid and a gas, simultaneously. about 34% of the VOLUME of a full CO2 tank will be filled with liquid. The remaining 66% of the interior volume, will be filled with saturated gas. The pressure of CO2 will change drastically with a change in the temperature of the CO2. Further, if straight liquid CO2 is ingested into the gun, potentially dangerous velocity spikes can occur. The pressure of CO2 at 70 degrees (F) will be about 853 PSI. Why would I consider buying Nitrogen? Most all serious paintballers will make the switch in there career. Nitrogen is a much more pure gas, as stated above, it is much of what we breathe unlike Co2, which is Carbon Dioxide. Many electronic and mechanical guns require the use of Nitrogen. You will not have any more nasty velocity spikes that can injure other players, which can happen with unregulated Co2. What are all these measurements for? The first measurement you will see is the “ci”, or cubic inches of the tank, which is the actual size/internal volume in cubic inches of the tank. This measurement can be anywhere from 47ci to 114ci. The second measurement is pressure. Pressure is expressed as “PSI”, which stands for Pounds per Square Inch. Tanks can be rated to be filled up to 3000psi, 4500psi, or 5000psi. How many shots can I expect? The most common way of measuring shots per tank is taking the C.I., or Cubic Inch specification, and multiplying it by 10 for 3000psi rated tanks, 15 for 4500psi rated tanks, and 17 for 5000psi rated tanks. For example; you could expect 680 shots from a 68ci 3000psi tanks. 68ci x 10 = 680 shots. Steel or Fiber Wrapped? A Nitrogen tank can be made from one of two materials. A steel tank will be much more durable, and could potentially last longer, while also being much heavier than a fiber wrapped tank. Fiber wrapped tanks are not quite as durable, unless a tank cover is used, which is most definitely recommended with this material. A fiber wrapped tank is much lighter than a steel tank. Hydro Testing? A Nitrogen tank must have a hydro re test every 3 years or every 5 years. This period is from the date on the tank. Depending on which Nitrogen tank that you choose, you will need to know if your tank needs to be tested every 3 years, or every 5 years. Your proshop will not fill a tank if it is past due for a hydro test. If you are buying a used tank, make sure you find out when the tank was last hydrostatically tested, and whether it needs to be tested every 3 or 5 years. Fiber wrapped tanks have a MAXIMUM life span of 15 years from the date of the original Hydro Test. Any tank, of any type, that fails a Hydro Test, will be destroyed by the company that performs the Hydro Test. Many fiber tanks will need to be Hydro'd every 3 years. Some of the newer fiber tanks can go 5 years between Hydros. Steel tanks have NO MAXIMUM life span. So long as a steel tank passes Hydro, it can still be used. Steel tanks must be Hydro'd every 5 years. A standard hydro testing is $35 from http://www.hydrotesters.com/ - Hydro Testers How much will I pay for a Nitrogen tank? The prices on Nitrogen tanks are a little more expensive than what you will pay for a Co2 tank. Unless you are buying a used Nitrogen tank, you will be paying anywhere from $80-$600. The $400-$600 range is probably out of most recreational players league, this being Angel A.I.R. and the Max-Flo systems. To get your Nitrogen tank filled, it is usually $1 every 1000psi. For example; it would cost $3 to get a 68ci 3000psi tank filled. The cubic inch of the tank is not taken into consideration with the cost of filling a tank. So an 114ci 3000psi tank would only cost $3 to fill also, in most cases. Does a tank come with a regulator? Yes, almost all tanks will come with a regulator. This is the part that actually screws into your Air Source Adapter, and contains the gauge and fill nipple. These regulators can be preset to a high pressure output of 800-900psi, a low pressure output of 350-450psi, or they can even be an adjustable output regulator. What are some good brands of Nitrogen systems? Some of the good brands which are in the mid price ranges are Crossfire, Centerflag, and WorrGas. Unless you are daring, you will want to stay away from new companies, they usually have some bugs to work out. Make sure the brand of tank you are getting comes with a good quality regulator on top. I have heard many negative remarks about the ACI and PMI tank regulators. Low Pressure What is low pressure? A low operating pressure is considered anywhere from 50-400psi. On any gun, running at a lower pressure could mean more shots per tank, less recoil, and better consistency over the chrono. Why go low pressure? Low pressure can have numerous benefits such as: more shots per tank, less ball chopping, less recoil, better consistency, and of course the bragging rights of knowing your gun has a low operating pressure and can achieve all of these things. Can my 98 Custom be a low pressure marker? Yes it can. With the purchase of Tippmann’s Comp-Air kit, a quality regulator, and a Nitrogen tank, your 98 Custom can run at 350 psi or lower. What about using the RT with the Low Pressure kit? The RT and Low Pressure kit will work very nicely together. Just use the RT kit's power tube, and the LP kit's valve. If you do have any problems with the RT not resetting, you may need a larger external RT hose. However, owners of newer 98 Customs should have no problems. What does the Tippmann Comp Air kit accomplish? The Tippmann Comp Air kit gives you a lighter rear drive spring, lighter rear bolt, high flow valve, low pressure chamber, and a vertical adapter with t-fitting. With all of these things installed on your 98 Custom along with a regulator, your 98 Custom is capable of operating at 350psi or lower. Can my Tippmann A-5 be a low pressure marker? Tippmann claims that it will have a Comp-Air kit out for the A-5 soon. Until then, the lowest pressure that an A-5 can run at, is about 600-700 PSI, without starving the cyclone feed. |
Posted By: deltasniper101
Date Posted: 02 August 2004 at 1:56pm
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wow that just abotu filled me up thank you very much
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Posted By: deltasniper101
Date Posted: 02 August 2004 at 2:16pm
| but till i didnt get a yes or no is it a good idea to get it for my 98 cusotm with flatline for long range squad support!!!!!!(sniper) |
Posted By: RavenGuard
Date Posted: 31 December 2005 at 1:15pm
Its a good idea for anyone in any position, but the expense may outweight the benifits... I'd say it should mainly be an upgrade if you want to fire quickly and consistantly, or in winter. I've seen co2 run markers in summer firing 15 balls per second for 5 seconds straight and not freezing up. I may get a n2 tank in the future, but for now, co2 is just cheaper, easier to find, and allows me 900 shots from my 20oz that cost me half the price of an n2 tank that can fire half as much befor a refill. Look at it like this... Would you rather put down a ton of money right now to be more consistant and accurate (which doesnt necessarily help at flatline or apex range) or would you rather slowely pay for it by firing 2 balls at a target instead of 1?  ------------- Tippmann A-5 Polished Internals E-Grip Ape Board JCS Blade Trigger QEV 8" Bigshot + Apex Ricochet R-5 / Tac Cap Palmers Stabilizer 68/4500 Crossfire |
deltasniper101 wrote:Posted By: hybrid-sniper
Date Posted: 31 December 2005 at 1:46pm
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Posted By: JediJak
Date Posted: 31 December 2005 at 3:52pm
you just responded to a post that hasnt been used in over a year. How did you find it? ------------- Tippmann Chameleon M98 Upgrades: 14in. Teardrop Barrel GTA Expansion Chamber 20oz. Co2 Pollished Internals Tape Mod Spring Mod Pic: http://img244.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tippy3qe.jpg |