just a crazy idea that would however be 100% functional and would allow the A-5 to utilize awesome hoppers like most guns..

imagine instead of the side feeding cyclone, the cyclone was relocted and flipped forwards behind the barrel and chamber kinda of like a 6-shooter pistol. the cyclones chamber would be closed off all around and on top would be a normal vertical feed for a hopper.

the hopper would drop the balls down to say the right side of the cyclone, which would rotate clockwise with each shot par usual. the top of the cyclone however would be inline with the chamber and barrel so when the trigger is fully depressed, the gun fires the round from the slot and when the trigger comes back up the next ball is already loaded and ready for the trigger to come down again.

i really want to draw up a diagram of this so some of you that may not quite be able to picture it can understand.

the positives of this over a typical Vertical feed are

1. the ball is only gravity fed into the cyclone, not into the chamber so it can't get chopped because the cyclone would mechanically feed it into the chamber ENTIRELY before any gas is expelled causing the round to fire.

2. by eliminating the possibility of gravity lag (time it takes for a ball to fall from a hopper feed into the chamber) and eliminating the chance of misfire (if the balls in the hopper are positioned in a manner in which one ball obstructs another from falling thru cleanly) this system creates a perfect firin cycle.

i will try to come up with a diagram. also, please give me your thoughts. i'd love to answer all inquiries.

okay I've completely reviewed this concept and it works perfect in theory.. i think it would eliminate almost 100% of any problems with feed, chopping, or such and would be especially good if an eye could be incorporated.

i'm thinking of actually getting a professional design drawn up of this.

k here are 2 diagrams.

the first is the location of the components, the second is of the feed, and rotation.

sorry for the quality but i don't have pro art skills and paint is good enough to display a concept.

Love The Diagrams !!!! I think you have a great idea.

well on August 2nd 2004, Rich Anderson of Cold lake, alberta canada came up with the idea for the 6-shooter VF cyclone on tippmann.com.

i wish i knew how to get a patent or something. i want to as i said get a professional design done. maybe if someone with skills, or a company like tippmann teamed up with me an actual prototype could be made.

there's that thing on the side of the cyclone that manually turns it, you can press that down.. i believe 5 times in this scenario off of a fresh load and you'll be all set. it's just 5 pushes instead of one. there's other ways but this is the simplest.

and as far as unloading balls in the cyclone. why not just have a part on the back of the cyclone, say on the left side where it's exposed, snap up and down so when you're ready to unload you just open it, use the manual revolver button thingy and take them out one at a time. keep in mind this cyclone uses a single arm rather than the multiple arms found in the cyclones on A-5's, so it'd be a quick process.

perhaps you don't fully see the picture here. the gravity feed is not to the chamber, but only to the cyclone. the cyclone then feeds to where the ball is chambered and fired.

by loading it this way instead of by gravity it removes many problems as stated above.

using a gravity feeder to load the six shooter is more effective than a gravity loader feeding a chamber persay. there's not near as many variables that can make it go wrong. and with a good electric hopper going it would be super efficient.

so for the most part, you're wrong. because the cyclone feeding to the chamber will eliminate a ton of gravity feeding problems, and with a VF going to the cyclone players can actually use great VF loaders/hoppers etc.. not to mention the cyclone takes away the bps limit placed by a straight gravity feed.

it's okay, there's a cynic for everything. even cancer research.

Sounds like a great idea to me. I just think you would have to set it up in a way so that when you fire it, and the cyclone rotates, if your firing too fast it may be possible to chop a ball. If the ball is only partly loaded into the cyclone, and you fire, the cyclone would rotate and could chop the ball. Unless Im missing something here you would definatly need an electric hopper to feed the cyclone. I think a gravity fed one would only be possible if you put a cap on how fast it fired. Or I guess you could figure out a way to incorporate an eye into the cyclone so it only rotates if there is a ball in the chamber. Also, I have a fair amount of AutoCAD skill, and no life. I just may be willing to draw something up if you would like. PM me if want to discuss anything.

as i mentioned in the first post, incorporating an eye would be most excellent.

hit me up on MSN or just mail to OneDown_4Up@hotmail.com.

the point isn't to improve the cyclone feed, but to combine it's usefulness with the best tech for vertical feed guns while eliminating the few problems you may run into here and there.

just a random thing to add onto this for fun, don't elaborate on it.. i realized with my system, it would be possible to utilize 2 chambers and 2 barrels (double shot for each click) with a modification of the cyclones rotation and of course the addition of a new line chamber and barrel adaptor. the barrels wouldn't be completely in line but would be paralell horizontally. nothing like imagining a double barreled shotty of a PB gun.

faster, maybe. more efficiently, yes.

It just like a force feed hopper but instead of it pointing barrel to back of gun its pointed across.

Its just taking a good idea and making it stick out the side.

Plus you say a modded seven arm cyclone..But in the pic..There is six.

And another thing, Is this going to be mounted above or below the bore. If its below...Whats the point. If its above...Why not make it like I said before, a force feed hopper.

I think you should take a long hard look at it and see if its still worth it.

EDIT: After review of the "diagram" I see your idea more clearly. But it still remains that the balls would have to be fed gravity wise into the loader. Thus you still have the probles as before. I also beleive the the cycling rate would be pathetic due to the fact that the "fins" have to go through the bore after each shot.and if you shot too fast the balls would not have a chance to enter the feeder in the first place.

I deem this a good try, but back to the drawing boards.

Hey it's me, PitchBlack. Forgot my old account stuff so I resigned. Anyways since I made this post I've been researching this idea even more and decided that with a warp feed or even right offset feed with a good loader this design would work even better.

here's my latest diagram. also I figured once you get it reloaded it takes a few trigger pulls to get it shooting but if you have the warp feed going .. just manually turn the cyclone.. and it will load balls without using air or making noise. problem solved.

great idea id definently get going on that and

just make sure if you do you get a patent so no one steals it

um i se one small prolem that i dont know if anyoen else picked up on because im to lazy to read through the entire thing.

with the way that revolver style magazine you would have to fire 5 or 6 shot before you would begin fireing anything becuase the cyclone feed would not be completly filled until after it has made one full rotation. so should you be in the middle of the wood maintaing a low profile and happen to need ta reload you would need to fire 6 dry shot to get one ball into the chamber. dont knwo how you would fix that but just a heads up

I already addressed this. you could manually turn the cyclone before you start playing.

just like on the current cyclones .. you push the rod on the right side and it manually turns. do this 6 times before you even get on the field and you're good to go.

And as far as gas goes .. it would use probably less than the current a-5 as their are less moving parts in the cyclone ... being only single leveled.

I'm working on getting a true diagram of this done right now and it's actually a little less bulky than the current cyclone feeder.. and it doesn't stick out the side so much.

also to update. Above it says to use warpfeed 2 the side but I figured it could use an offset right feed just like Automag bodies have available.

 Couple ideas I had, you might want to look at. How do you keep it from jamming and tring to shoot a fin instead of a ball? Eyes or electronics would be $$. If it does jam or break a ball how do you service/clean it? Just some thing to think about.

working on it. it shouldn't shoot a fin.. it's a semi auto like the a-5 and the cyclone reacts and moves exactly the same. it won't shoot a fin the same way the cyclone shouldn't feed 1.5 balls or go blender..

i'm still working on the whole cleaning part right now. there's lots to designing this crap. I'm trying to put something together where the cyclone rolls out to the side the same way a revolvers chamber piece does..

New Diagram. Still have't addressed cleaning issue yet. When I get it I will draw up another diagram. Much more to come.. this thing is maybe 50% sure.

I've been doing research on what type of system this 6-shooter would fit in and the best fit thus far has been an automag setup but I have to modify it myself a bit to make everything fit properly. it doesn't lose any functionality. Just a longer power tube and stopper on the sear.

Here's a quick look.

Ok, apparently I have to be the one to throw a wrench in.

It CAN NOT be patented. There, I said it. The patent is already owned by D.Tippmann, Sr. therefore can not be patented. I seriously doubt that you could buy it from him, but you could ask permission to use it if you want to sell it. If not, it is legal to make, but not to sell to your friends or anyone else.

I have looked into patents before, I tell you this from experience and research. Go ahead and make it if you want, but if your intent is to sell it, stop now or call Dennis Tippmann and talk to him about it.

wtf are you babbling about? I can patent this. It's not even close to a cyclone anymore. Hell there's nothing even similar except that it would rotate the way a cyclone does. D. Tippmann Sr never invented an upright revolver style 6-chambered mechanism that lines up with the bolt.

D. Tippmann Sr invented a series of 6 armed things in a cylinder that mechanically feed balls..

The only remaining similarity is that they both rotate in respectable fashions.

Here have your wrench back.

1. Great Idea

2. Easy way to make all nay sayers go away the q-loader is perfect. put this system on a milsim as a Frinesi Automatic 12 gauge shot gun with drum clip. i know weapons freak am I but for air get a small air tank like 9 ounce or a seperate remote line system for it. otherwise 114 5000 or 3000 ??

3. Why does every one ask Whats the point? the point is for all ACTUAL paintballers not f-ing tourney players that are sponsered for cheater boards in their gun I.E. no skill at all. It is a cool idea for some one that is in for the love of the game and odd accesories for their guns. the system is simple design but complicated reality.

4. use the six shooter cleaning method--FLIP DOWN CYCLONE wow was that that hard!!!

sorry under a lot of stress from all people on forum that hate tippmann and are on their forum.

5. Great Idea again Hope to see it in use

People these days are so anti anything that they don't get JEEBA HATES YOU

thank you sir. the kids were bothering me.

anyways.. I'm thinking of some way to make the thing flip down but it's really complicated when ya try and make it a reality.

but.. i have an idea in mind. might have a pic up this week

not really..

imagine the work that went into the cyclone..

just as much I'd say

...i am not trying to be mean, or discouraging, but

A) to use any part/piece of a cyclone feed, you MUST have a license, contact tippmann, they might even help out finacially or something

B)ummm...whats wrong with a regular cyclone? mines never busted a ball...but i dont shoot auto, so what do i know...

C) despite your name being on numerous documents, unless you have a patent, or patent pending, anyone can use your ideas, there is nothing stopping them

i know my credibility is rather weak, seems like nobody likes the idea of blackpowder in this sport, but my close uncle is one of the top 50 American inventors of all time, and im somewhat of an inventor myself, so i know how these things work

that having been said, good job, this idea is orginal, and quite good, except for the few shortcomings i have pointed out

evillepaintball wrote: This has got to be the dumbest idea i have ever heard.   why would you single stack-load the balls into the cyclone when with the cyclones hopper, you have no chance for the balls to not drop into the chamber, you dont need to buy an 80 dollar hopper just to keep the balls feeding.  the cyclone ELIMINATES all chance of chopping the ball as it physically puts the ball into the chamber.  the only way to chop a ball is to outshoot the cyclone, and since the cyclone  feeds as fast as the gun shoots, outshooting it is virtually impossible.  I simply see no reason to complicate an emaculate force-feeding system by adding a very flawed gravity-based feed into it.  you said your reasoning for this is so that it can utilize the hoppers that other guns use, i fail to see why you would want throw money at a problem that does not exist.  even the most expensive electro-hoppers will still chop, the cyclone wont.  the only thing that adding an 80 dollar hopper to it will do is  slow it down, and waste your time and money.  While its kinda cool that you came up with this, it simply is not value-added . i recommend that you save your time and money to create something that will be worth while.

he has a very valid point

this idea is somewhat worthless, for all the effort involved...things never work as well in reality as they do in thoery

do what you want

none the less, it is quite orginal, maybe the next one will be better, good luck