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Topic: God.
Posted By: Big Jim
Subject: God.
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 1:47pm
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Do you believe in God? Answer yes or no, and go on to explain why. ------------- The Hotttnesssss |
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Posted By: Dark98
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 1:48pm
| Not another one of these... |
Posted By: HondaXR
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 1:49pm
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Dude just delete this.....its just goin to be ANOTHER flamefest. ------------- SL68II Pro/Am 68 Carbine |
Posted By: MetallicaESPa5
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 1:50pm
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Dark98 wrote:Posted By: Ejp414
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 1:51pm
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Either no God, or the God of deists, based on observations in everyday life.
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Posted By: God
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 1:51pm
| Yes. |
Posted By: Slothbutt
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 1:53pm
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dude one complicated question at a time ------------- http://img483.imageshack.us/img483/2688/3guns27ef.jpg - My Paintball Guns http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/2711/arand9mmak9.jpg - New "Toys" |
Posted By: Funky
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 1:54pm
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To all these stupid questions, why doesn't the poster ever give his opinion first? ------------- 
"Don't you hate pants?" |
Posted By: Big Jim
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 1:59pm
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Yes, I do belive in God, it's simple, look around you. Do you think ALL that happened by a big bang or whatever? I don't. There had to be a creator. ------------- The Hotttnesssss |
Posted By: SandMan
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 1:59pm
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The poster gave his opinion by the way he worded the question:
Do you believe in God? Answer yes or no, and go on to explain why. In asking the question this way, the poster reveals that he assigns a specific identity to God; Like if I asked, "Do you believe in Shaquille O'Neal?" ------------- Real Men Love Cheeses |
Posted By: Solipsism
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 2:03pm
Uhm no. I don't believe in God, but I could just ask easily ask that same question in the same words. -------------  http://solipsism.ath.cx - solipsism.ath.cx |
Posted By: clayton1
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 2:05pm
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Yes i believe in god strongly. ------------- cocker shooter PREDATOR PAINTBALL |
Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 2:05pm
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Interesting application of Occam's Razor...
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Posted By: Ejp414
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 2:06pm
So then, what religion/denomination's God is he talking about? ------------- __________________ __________________ |
Posted By: SandMan
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 2:09pm
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But the key is, generally... You wouldn't.
Your non-belief would cause you to lean away from assigning a specific identity to "God", referring instead to a "deity" or "a God". --- I'm not attempting to sound grandiose, only to point out something that people can use later on to hear one's opinions in their own questions. The way they phrase their questions indicates their expected answer. Or so says Psych 101... ------------- Real Men Love Cheeses |
Posted By: Slothbutt
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 2:10pm
Because they don't want to poll to seem biased. ------------- http://img483.imageshack.us/img483/2688/3guns27ef.jpg - My Paintball Guns http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/2711/arand9mmak9.jpg - New "Toys" |
Posted By: Big Jim
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 2:13pm
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I believe in the God of the Israelites. Messiah. Jehovah. Ya know the only God that's spelled with a capital G? ------------- The Hotttnesssss |
Posted By: Ejp414
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 2:16pm
Oh, you're Jewish? Or Muslim? Or Christian? You didn't answer much there. And actually, you're supposed to spell any deity's name with a capital first letter according to proper English grammar. That includes Satan, Allah, etc. ------------- __________________ __________________ |
Posted By: SandMan
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 2:16pm
Hehe... Were that an honest question, I could offer an educated guess for an answer. But since it was a sarcastic potshot, I'll say simply that you can't extract that specific of information from the question the original poster asked. This isn't tea leaves, it's the real science of human interaction. ------------- Real Men Love Cheeses |
Posted By: Solipsism
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 2:17pm
Yes you're right generally you wouldn't but there will always be people who believe in him so when speaking I dont see anything wrong with a nonbeliever referring to God in such a way, not to mention you might prossibly offend people by saying "a god" or "a deity" rather than just "God" so since it doesn't matter to me I'd be more inclined to be polite about such a matter. The person who started this thread could have just as easily been a nonbeliever. Quick making assumptions.  ------------- http://solipsism.ath.cx - solipsism.ath.cx |
Posted By: Ejp414
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 2:18pm
Don't take it personally, I'm just a 16 year old who is somewhat pissed that he had to get his long hair cut for school. I understand what you're saying, I just think it was a bit too much of an... assumption?
(Ack! I hate it when I do that. I edited instead of replying, by accident. - SandMan) ------------- __________________ __________________ |
Posted By: Big Jim
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 2:20pm
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I'm A Christian if you know what Christian's believe you would know what God I believe in. He's the only one I believe in. ------------- The Hotttnesssss |
Posted By: NotreDamePaintB
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 2:22pm
| Yes there is a God, and to prove it, it's a little thing called the Bible. |
Posted By: Ejp414
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 2:22pm
The Israelites were Jewish. They believed a Messiah would come from God and that is currently what Jews still are "waiting for". I've gone to a Catholic school my entire life, I've read the Bible from front to back several times. Just because I don't believe it, doesn't mean I don't know it.
Actually, that just proves oral tradition and the miracle of human communications and publishing. ------------- __________________ __________________ |
Posted By: AdmiralSenn
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 2:23pm
What he said. Although you probably shouldn't have made this thread, as it's been done over and beaten to death a hundred times before. At least it's not a flame-fest yet. ------------- Is God real? You'll find out when you die. 
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Posted By: Solipsism
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 2:23pm
So because its in a book that makes it true? mmmmmk. ------------- http://solipsism.ath.cx - solipsism.ath.cx |
Posted By: Multi-Colored J
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 2:24pm
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I believe in a god, I do not believe in the worship of God. ------------- X |
Posted By: RenegadeGopher
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 2:24pm
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roflfmoafmlamboalofmarmfalfoamfl ....lol.
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Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 2:24pm
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Checked up on the Quran recently?
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Posted By: NotreDamePaintB
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 2:25pm
| Peter, one of the 12 disciples, was the first Pope which can be proved, therefore being a disciple of Jesus(God in the form of man) who rose from the dead on easter day. |
Posted By: Enos Shenk
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 2:25pm
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Did you know that god is a girl and his name is Eris?
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Posted By: Ejp414
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 2:26pm
Alanis Morisette is God, duh.
Well, damn, I'm sold! ------------- __________________ __________________ |
Posted By: Super NEWB
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 2:29pm
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this post should be locked before it gets out of hand
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Angel guys get all the girls Steve Zissou: I'm going to find it and I'm going to destroy it. Possibly with dynamite. |
Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 2:35pm
Dont forget Hades.  ------------- 
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Posted By: Frozen Balls
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 2:36pm
Or maybe someone was like, 'hey, wouldn't it be cool if we made Peter seem more important than he really is?' And then made up the bible. Just a thought
I suppose Hades is awesome... I'm quite partial to Ares and Apollo myself. Although Hephaistos is cool. |
Posted By: Super NEWB
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 2:39pm
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Angel guys get all the girls Steve Zissou: I'm going to find it and I'm going to destroy it. Possibly with dynamite. |
Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 2:39pm
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I don't read fiction. I don't believe in god or a god. I believe in coincidences, accidents, physics, science, and energy. |
Posted By: Big Jim
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 2:41pm
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Dune's a goner. Too bad I won't be meetin ya in hell. Have fun, they say the weathers warm down there. ------------- The Hotttnesssss |
Posted By: Ejp414
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 2:41pm
I believe thing called loooooove! ------------- __________________ __________________ |
Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 2:42pm
| I can't go there when I believe it doesn't exist. |
Posted By: SandMan
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 2:42pm
Observation and assumption are two different things. ------------- Real Men Love Cheeses |
Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 2:42pm
Hahaha |
Posted By: Ejp414
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 2:43pm
Actually, according to most Christian denominations and the Catholic Church, anyone can get into Heaven if they live a good enough life. That includes atheists, agnostics, Muslims, Buddhists, people who lived in areas where there was/is no such thing as Christianity, etc. They just have a bit harder time getting in. Perhaps you should read up on your own Church's doctrines? ------------- __________________ __________________ |
Posted By: SandMan
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 2:43pm
Yes. The man the Christians call Jesus the Christ was crucified by the Romans. It's historical fact. ------------- Real Men Love Cheeses |
Posted By: Solipsism
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 2:44pm
I'd rather not go to heaven with all the pedophilic priests and such. ------------- http://solipsism.ath.cx - solipsism.ath.cx |
Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 2:45pm
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Man, I enjoy being Buddhist, but there's no way I'll end up in "Heaven." Buddhism is a self centered system of beliefs, a way to be content with ones self. I just don't want to come back as an insect in my next life. |
Posted By: SandMan
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 2:45pm
Nope. Maybe the Catholics, but I don't know a single Protestant denomination who believes "works" can get you to Heaven. They preach quite the opposite, in fact. According to their tenets, you have to be "born again" and believe that Jesus Christ was the son of God or it doesn't matter how kind you were to people. ------------- Real Men Love Cheeses |
Posted By: Big Jim
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 2:47pm
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Umm please don't ever question me about what I believe. Good works will not get you to heaven. THAT IS NOT CHRISTIANITY. Simple, read this verse I'm about to type, it about sums up what I believe. John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believeth in him should not perish but have everlasting life." ------------- The Hotttnesssss |
Posted By: Solipsism
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 2:47pm
Thats precisely why i don't believe in such nonsense like religion. If you live a good life and treat others like you wish to be treated if there really is a Heaven you will go there. I dont feel I need religion for me to be a good person and to do the right thing. Not to mention like politics, there is a lot of corruption involved with religion. ------------- http://solipsism.ath.cx - solipsism.ath.cx |
Posted By: Dune
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 2:48pm
| I'm happy that so many people have got such a good imaginary friend. |
Posted By: SandMan
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 2:48pm
Tell 'em, reverend! You have an uncanny knack for spouting meaningless damnations without any concern for your own correctness. Please do me a favor and don't make Christians look any worse than you already have. ------------- Real Men Love Cheeses |
Posted By: Frozen Balls
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 2:48pm
hmm...I dunno where you guys are getting this stuff. I've been dragged kicking and screaming to a protestant church for years, and I've never heard anything about that. Or maybe i just wasn't listening. |
Posted By: Ejp414
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 2:49pm
Well, I suppose that makes sense, everyone who was not exposed to Christianity burns in hell then? So much for a loving God. As much as I disagree with the Catholic Church, they suddenly sound extremely sensible. ------------- __________________ __________________ |
Posted By: Big Jim
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 2:49pm
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I'm just telling it like it is Plato. ------------- The Hotttnesssss |
Posted By: Frozen Balls
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 2:52pm
No. You're telling it like you've been tought to tell it, and haven't taken the time to take a step back yourself and examine things without the churches help. |
Posted By: boomstick
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 2:52pm
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i beleive in god. ------------- YONK~!~ |
Posted By: SandMan
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 2:53pm
It don't work that way, Jim. You're going to be questioned about your belief every day of your life. And if you're not questioning your belief yourself, you're serving nothing but blind faith... ------------- Real Men Love Cheeses |
Posted By: Ejp414
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 2:53pm
I go to a private school and we have required religion classes every year, centered mostly on Catholicism. EDIT: Big Jim, you seem to be making this into more of a personal argument for yourself. In the interests of "knowing thy enemy", what denomination are you, exactly? ------------- __________________ __________________ |
Posted By: Dan db09
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 2:53pm
| I believe in God. |
Posted By: Big Jim
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 2:57pm
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Sandman, who are you to tell me it don't work that way? You're just another man. And as for taking a step back and looking at things myself? I have. And it makes perfect sense to me. And Sandman. Is'nt that what faith is? Blind? ------------- The Hotttnesssss |
Posted By: SandMan
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 2:57pm
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Let's see... Perhaps because my father was a Nazarene minister and I grew up going to church 4x per week without fail, not to mention going to exclusively Christian schools until I was 15.
If that's not enough, I married the daughter of a Baptist minister who's now traveling as an evangelist. ---- I competed in hours upon hours of Bible quizzing and quizzing practice as a child. I had a dedicated Bible class one hour a day from 4th to 9th grade. ---- That's where I'm getting this stuff. ------------- Real Men Love Cheeses |
Posted By: Ejp414
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 2:58pm
So you sort of lost quavered in your faith for a bit when questioning as opposed to blindly following? ------------- __________________ __________________ |
Posted By: Big Jim
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 3:00pm
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That all does'nt matter, what does matter is what you are before God. ------------- The Hotttnesssss |
Posted By: SandMan
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 3:02pm
You're right. I'm another man. But I think I've proven by my posts here, in contrast to yours, that I have a much firmer grasp on reason, logic, and critical thinking than you do. The fact is, you can't get into a discussion like this and hide behind your precious Bible, all the while asking people not to question your beliefs. The world doesn't work that way. And, no, faith is not blind. If it were, then there would be nothing separating me from Osama Bin Laden. He has faith too, faith he operates on without question. Hitler had faith, too. As do all the other zealots, terrorists, and whack jobs who want to force their blindness on everyone else. True, real faith is educated and informed. ------------- Real Men Love Cheeses |
Posted By: Frozen Balls
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 3:02pm
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Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 3:02pm
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Historical Fact:
Jesus was not the only Messiah at the time. There were lots of Messiahs. Another Messiah at the time named Apelonious of Tyana. He also in the first century was claimed by his followers that he healed the sick, he raised the dead, he was a ble to walk through walls and buildings, that he was infact persecuted for his beliefs and religious beliefs, he was brought to trial by the local Roman courts, he was crucified, and after he died he, we are told ascended into heaven and he came back where his followers saw him. Note: this is not the Jesus story, Apelonious of Tyana. -------------
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Posted By: sniped out
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 3:03pm
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Ya, faith is pretty much blind. And as for God and Buddha, Zues, Satan, and Hades, etc, everyone has their own beliefs, and maybe there are multiple Gods(that is what i believe), i am mixed with a Buddha belivin' mom, and Jesus and God believin' dad, and i have merged those two together to create my own little belief. So i belive in Goddha. lol, just kidding.
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Posted By: Frozen Balls
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 3:04pm
word. Am I correct in assuming he wasn't interested in being Christian? And could you give me a link or soemthing, cause that sounds interesting. |
Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 3:05pm
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Sandman, I am pretty sure some Lutheran denominations believe in works. Don't quote me, though. Most denominations I come across that are strictly of the "saved/born-again" approach are not only Protestant, but Evangelical. I think. Maybe.
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Posted By: Ejp414
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 3:05pm
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Okay, Big Jim. You refuse to say that you either have lacked faith
before or that your idea of faith is slightly wrong. You also refuse to
tell me your denomination. Big Jim, you started this thread by saying "Do you believe in God? Answer yes or no, and go on to explain why.", that's a copy and paste, complete verbatim. So, Jim, it's your turn to answer your own poll. So far all you have done is accused Dune and myself of being destined to eternal damnation and argued (badly) with Sandman's logic. What is your explanation, Big Jim? If you cannot yourself explain why you have a faith and that if you attempt to you are acting immorally, how can you expect others to answer this poll? Furthermore, by doing nothing more than rattling off pre-decided answers to questions, you are not performing your duty as a Christian, that is, to spread the faith as the early prophets and current evangelists do. Please respond. ------------- __________________ __________________ |
Posted By: Enos Shenk
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 3:05pm
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I rarely get into my real beliefs in these things but... I believe in a god. I dont believe in jesus or buddah or allah or any worldly religions because i dont believe that human beings can ever understand god, or know what god wants or doesnt want. I dont believe that any organized religion has the right idea. Everyone is too tied up arguing and killing over whos right. I believe that organized religions are just trumped up crap to make some power hungry priest feel important. Do we really need all the ceremony and nonsense catholics do? Does your omipotent all-caring god care whether you get splashed with holy water and preached to by some guy with a giant hat? Its all overboard, its all nonsense. I do not believe that in 2000 years, any original truth in the bible could possibly have survived all the rewrites and translations and meddling from humans. We screw things up too much and put a spin on EVERYTHING and you think that we kept some supposedly holy book unchanged for 2000 years? Heres what i say. Believe in what you want, as long as you BELIEVE it. Dont just take some puffed up holier than thou idiots word for it. Dont take some books word for it. What do YOU FEEL, that is what matters. Not some nonsense ceremony, not some lavish church, not some "worldly voice of god". What matters is YOU and GOD, whatever god you choose to worship. Spirituality is a personal thing, and it should be YOUR choice and YOUR beliefs, not some trendy crap thats been shoved down your throat by pastors and missionaries and annoying mormons. In my opinion, all the religions are really talking to the same big man, and if hes all hes cracked up to be, im sure hell understand if you didnt feel the need to go to sunday school to get closer to understanding. -------------
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Posted By: SandMan
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 3:07pm
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That's not a Christian's duty, by the way. That's an organized religion thing. ------------- Real Men Love Cheeses |
Posted By: boomstick
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 3:10pm
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I don't think organized relgion is right. Cause then all of these religions claim they are the "Right" religion. As long as you worship god and follow the bible, thats basicly all religion is and you can do that on your own. I don't think its right that we have all of these branches of christianity. But yes i still go to church every sunday and I am Catholic. ------------- YONK~!~ |
Posted By: Frozen Balls
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 3:12pm
You lose. Please play again. You can't say organized religion is wrong, and then tell someone to follow the bible. It is the backing for Christianity, dont ya know... |
Posted By: Ejp414
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 3:12pm
Christianity is not an organized religion? (Or a big group of them, meh) In any case, I'll try the whole mathematical logic thing, since that seems to be popular today. 1. It is a Christian's duty to treat others as they would like to be treated. (Source: Beatitudes, AKA the "Golden Rule") 2. A Christian would not want to go to Hell. (Given) 3. Big Jim's beliefs as a Christian include that anyone who does not believe in God is destined to eternal damnation. (Source: His Church's doctrines) From this you can deduce that Big Jim's duty as a Christian is to spread the word of God, so that those who do not currently believe in God have the chance not to burn for their beliefs. QED ------------- __________________ __________________ |
Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 3:15pm
I have been searching this entire morning for a source on this, I know exactly where I obtained the information offline. I will continue to search for something in writing online, but I have been unsuccessfully in my hour or so of searching. I will get back to you as soon as I get an online source for it. I qouted http://www.skeptic.com/director.html - Michael Shermer in an episode of Penn and Teller's BullPoop Showtime show. -------------
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Posted By: Big Jim
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 3:17pm
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I am a CHRISTIAN, I've already explained what that is in this thread. I go to Calvary Bible Church. We base our faith directly from the Bible.(The King James Version.) I don't go to any fancy church, or do any special ceremonies, I go there to worship God. ------------- The Hotttnesssss |
Posted By: Enos Shenk
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 3:21pm
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Then why do you go? I can worship god from my chair.
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Posted By: Big Jim
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 3:22pm
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To gather togther with other believers, it's otherwise known as Sunday worship. ------------- The Hotttnesssss |
Posted By: Ejp414
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 3:22pm
Catholics are Christian. Baptists are Christian. There is a big difference, one example being a literal interpretation of the Bible as compared to people understand that Bible holds significance, but it not meant to be used as a history book. There are a lot of other examples, but I think the point has been proven. So you're a non-denominational Christian? If you honestly had questioned your own faith as you said before, I'd expect you to realize that there is more to Christianity than one set of beliefs. Hell, I'd actually have expected you to even research completely different religions, even if only to strengthen your beliefs in your Christian ideas. And nice dodging my last post, by the way. EDIT: Not last post, the one where I challenged the adherence of your actions to your Christian teachings and stuff... ------------- __________________ __________________ |
Posted By: Frozen Balls
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 3:23pm
There are like 600 denominations of Christianity, can you specify a bit? Why is a fancy church bad? What's wrong with sitting in nice comfy leather seats instead of sitting on wooden benches? Special ceremonies...none? Not a chance dude. I guarantee that you do. |
Posted By: Big Jim
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 3:29pm
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Actually that's exactly what my church is......Non-denominational and independant. And as for special ceremonies......we do communions every month, and baptismals when ever there is a need. Just to clerify there is a big difference between Cathlosism and Christianity. I'll let Sandman explain cause I'll admit I have'nt been too sharp with my wording today. ------------- The Hotttnesssss |
Posted By: tgaffner
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 3:32pm
| Not really. He/she has done nothing to prove its existance.... |
Posted By: Ejp414
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 3:33pm
I think Sandman realizes that Catholicism was the first religious organization to actually be considered "Christian". Every other Christian denomination roots from the Catholic Church, compliments of Calvinism and Martin Luther. And on a larger scale, Christianity came from Judaism, as did Islam. ------------- __________________ __________________ |
Posted By: matt06
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 3:38pm
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Do I believe in god? Yes.
Because thats the way I was raised, and had Religion class for the past 10 years of my life. (private school)But, Im more than likely leaving that school because I was sick of having it crammed down my throat every day in every way imaginable Do I believe in telling people how to live their lives and force my beliefs onto them? No. Why not? Because their is no more proof that christianity is in anyway the one true religion, than there is to support any other religion. |
Posted By: Frozen Balls
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 3:40pm
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http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&edition=us&q=%22Calvary+Bible+Church%22&btnG=Search - um..Calvary Search |
Posted By: Hades
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 3:40pm
Actually the Morman faith was not born out of a previous Christian Religion. Not that it matters much but just an FYI. -------------
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Posted By: Ejp414
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 3:44pm
Umm, I know what you believe in, you're a non-denominational Christian with a Protestant slant. I really don't care, I'd like you to read the past posts addressed specifically to you, and if you could address them then that would be great. If you can't, then I assume you have no answer.
Okay, every other denomination except the Mormans, I stand corrected. Funny I should forget that because one of my best friends who moved away was a very active Morman. In any case, our friend here is not Morman. ------------- __________________ __________________ |
Posted By: Frozen Balls
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 3:48pm
??? i was just linking that so that everyone can read up on what exactly his church believes... |
Posted By: Ejp414
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 3:51pm
I'm insane. I accidentally thought you were Big Jim and for some reason I thought it was addressed specifically to me. My bad, doing like 16 things at once.  ------------- __________________ __________________ |
Posted By: -The Unknown-
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 4:00pm
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Your idiocy make me sick to my stomach.. i'm with BigJim... ------------- |
Posted By: Ejp414
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 4:06pm
Care to back up your statement? Besides saying he's an idiot... ------------- __________________ __________________ |
Posted By: MSG.Mobius
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 4:10pm
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Paintball forums meet religion. ------------- 
Coming in May 2005! |
Posted By: Project Irene
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 4:17pm
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Christian. Why? raised that way. No care to change, God is God and I believe in him. Everyone has everything conceivable backing up the fact that God doens't exist/can't exist/impossible/things don't add up/"facts", but they left one thing out, and it's something that keeps most Christians going. Faith. My 2¢, now disprove/laugh/post facts/flame away. |
Posted By: AdmiralSenn
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 4:23pm
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BLAAAH I just typed this whole long post and it vanished.
Enos: If you read this.. yes you can worship God from your chair. Church meetings are, as far as I can tell, originated from "Where two or more are gathered together in my name, there I am with them." And as for Catholicism.. I agree that a lot of it is unnecessary. The uniforms, holy water, rituals, using prayers as a counter to sin by repeating them, Hail Mary's (wherever they came from), confessions to priests, priests in general, praying to saints/Mary, etc etc is all stuff that as far as I know was never in the Bible. Warning: If you are Catholic, this link WILL offend you. I didn't make it up, and I didn't mean to insult or offend anyone. If you think this link might drive you to acts of rage, don't click it!! http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0071/0071_01.asp - http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0071/0071_01.asp ------------- Is God real? You'll find out when you die.
Okay, I don't have a clever signature zinger. So sue me. |
Posted By: Enos Shenk
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 4:26pm
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Your posting something from chick? People actually take that guys complete idiocy seriously? -------------
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Posted By: SandMan
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 4:31pm
That's actually somewhat short sighted. The apostles and their followers were the first Christians. And, yes, they had their "churches", though they most often met in secret to escape persecution at the hands of the Romans. The Catholics came around far later when the Western world embraced this Eastern religion. They became the basis for the Western practice of Christianity. They were NOT the first organization to claim to be servants of the Christ. Judaism is the father of Christianity. As I understand it, the Jews (not the race, the religion) believe in the same God, but they believe His Messiah is yet to come. I'm no expert in their particular religion, but I believe that's the basis. ------------- Real Men Love Cheeses |
Posted By: Ejp414
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 4:31pm
I stopped reading when they made a big deal about Baal. If anyone has done some research on the subject of the origin of religion, then they'd know that zoroastrianism, the religion of the Persian's, was the root of any belief in angels and that kind of thing. A great deal of Christianity roots back to pagan religions, and not just Catholicism. ------------- __________________ __________________ |
Posted By: SandMan
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 4:32pm
No doubt. Propoganda in the worst way. ------------- Real Men Love Cheeses |
Posted By: SandMan
Date Posted: 05 August 2004 at 4:36pm
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All this said, I also believe in God and that Jesus Christ was His Son... Despite all the lies the organized church tried to stuff down my throat.
I have found my own faith in that which I was taught from a child. ----- What I DO NOT support is blind faith and rehearsed answers. I don't believe anything that I cannot support with logic and reason. ------------- Real Men Love Cheeses |