Hello. Basically I am looking for your people's opinons on underage drinking. Do you think it is ok for people under the legal age limit to drink? Have you ever drank underage, why did you start drinking andwhat do you think the legal drinking age should be?

I'll start off. I am only 15 and I do drink. I started drinking in grade 8. I am not addicted by any means but I have beend drunk atleast 10 times this summer 4 of those times in one week. I personally do not think there is a problem with me drinking. While I do dumb things I always do it at my house or someones else's house so the possibility for getting really hurt while drunk is fairly slim. I realise drinking can have a negative effect on my health, but I figure your liver is desighned to filter out toxins. And as long as I dont drink too often it shouldnt be too much of a problem. Also we all do things that have a negative effect on our health. I play football and rugby and I know that will come back to haunt me when I am older and have terrible knees. The first time I got drunk was with my best friend. He had been drinking for a while and he was at my house one night and we decided to get drunk. It wasnt like I gave into peer pressure or anything like that because many of my other friends try to get me to do drugs which I always turn down. My parents obviously dont know I drink, I suspect they would be really mad if they found out. But hopefully I'll never find out.

Oh and since I am Canadian my legal drinking age is 19 but 20 minutes from me in Quebec ( I live in Ontario) the legal age is 18.

it depends the persons attitude.
 age doesnt matter to me much, but im responsible enough to hide my car keys in a place i wont find them.

but the irresponsible people is what kills hte privilages for others. and some people get to into alchohol and become dependant on it.
 i dont drink to get trashed, just as if it were any other drink.

Personally when I drink it is for the purpose of getting drunk. I am usually pretty smart when I drink though. And I have never hurt my self badly ( woke up with some cuts on my arm but thats about it) or hurt anyone else. I am also smart enough to do things like hide car keys and not go in the water. Becuase I ave had to pull a 200 pound unconcious drunk out of my pool and it wasnt fun.

kwkmrorange wrote: Personally when I drink it is for the purpose of getting drunk.

Sounds Pretty stupid to me.

Drinking, no matter how much, damages your body. Even if it's just a little..

kwkmrorange wrote: And as long as I dont drink too often it shouldnt be too much of a problem

I'd sure say getting stoned 10 times per summer is rather often...

:ShockeR_ratm: wrote: No one waits til they're 21 to drink

Well that shows your ignorance.

If you do it when you're young and its harder to get, when you're an adult with the ability to get it any time and have the dough to do it, you will probably do it MUCH more often and [possibly, if not definitly] get addicted.

Just another dumb canadian...

-The Unknown- wrote: Just another dumb canadian...

Racial Slur?

-The Unknown- wrote: :ShockeR_ratm: wrote: No one waits til they're 21 to drink Well that shows your ignorance. If you do it when you're young and its harder to get, when you're an adult with the ability to get it any time and have the dough to do it, you will probably do it MUCH more often and [possibly, if not definitly] get addicted. Just another dumb canadian...

Too bad I'm American...

You see underage drinking all the time...I'm saying that most people don't take the age limit too seriously...Now tell me...Why does that make me ignorant?

Nobody ever suspects the fun police!

-The Unknown- wrote: Drinking, no matter how much, damages your body. Even if it's just a little.. Except for the fact that its been proven driking moderate amounts can be good for you. And that in Japan a recent studie made a link between drinking and IQ. It was obviously a posotive link. kwkmrorange wrote: And as long as I dont drink too often it shouldnt be too much of a problem I'd sure say getting stoned 10 times per summer is rather often... :ShockeR_ratm: wrote: No one waits til they're 21 to drink Well that shows your ignorance. If you do it when you're young and its harder to get, when you're an adult with the ability to get it any time and have the dough to do it, you will probably do it MUCH more often and [possibly, if not definitly] get addicted. Just another dumb canadian...

First of all I dont get stoned I get drunk. There is a huge difference. I would never get stoned. Getting stoned means you use drugs. Second of all, it isnt hard for me to get alcohol I have alot of 18 and nineteen year old friends. Which means I probably wont do it more often once I turn 18. Also since I am drinking when Im younger I already know my limits and what can happen when I pass them. Instead of finding out when I have a car and am at a bar full of people I dont know. Yes ten times a summer is kind of bad I realise this. But during the school year its more like once a month. Third since you called it getting stoned this makes me think that you are fairly ignorant on this topic.

And I do not see how being a Canadian has anything to do with it what so ever. I dont intend for this to become a post full of racial slurs so please leave ignorant comments like that out of my thread and out of this forum.

You'll be thinking of how stupid you were to do this when you are on your deathbed.

Getting stoned means smoking weed.

Yes I drink, about twice a week and I'm 15. Whats the point of drinking if your not gonna get drunk? Mostly at the beach we drink. Your all so prude talking about its bad for you, big deal its not gonna kill you and its fun.

I opened this thread intending to post how I don't care who drinks and who doesn't.

Then I read kwkmrorange's posts.

HOLY CRAP DUDE!

You're a freakin' alcoholic at 15 and don't even realize it.  Do you know how many non-college adults have gotten drunk 10 times this summer, and who only drink to get drunk?  ALL THE ALCOHOLICS!  And nobody else.

You are the posterboy for why the drinking age should stay exactly where it is.  I could cut and paste your posts in this thread into a "scared straight" booklet.

[Mr. Smith wrote: ]I think a legal drinking age is not needed, in England there is none and drinking is not even thought as to be anything 14 and 15 year old kids go to the bars every friday and are all very responible. (well im sure not all of them are..) but there is no problems in England or other place with no legal drinking ages. But to take away the legal drinking age in a place like canada or the U.S. the privelage would be used because or cultures are not use to it. Thats how i feel.

Legal drinking age in England is 18, except that you can have a drink with a meal in a restaurant at 16.  Granted, this rule isn't as strictly enforced as in the US, but it is the rule nevertheless.

And no problems?  Here are some UK drinking stats:  http://www.heartstats.org/temp/fig7.5aspweb04.pdf - http://www.heartstats.org/temp/fig7.5aspweb04.pdf

wtfd00d wrote: Getting stoned means smoking weed.   Yes I drink, about twice a week and I'm 15. Whats the point of drinking if your not gonna get drunk? Mostly at the beach we drink. Your all so prude talking about its bad for you, big deal its not gonna kill you and its fun.

tell that to my grandpa, who died because of his liver, or my cousin, who lived 3 days in intensive care because some moron tohught it was fun to drink, then drive.

And i know that everyone here who admits to drinking will immidiatly say they are smart enough not to drink and drive. Good for you. Had that 17 year old been thinking the same way, i might still have a cousin, and a friend. yo think you are smart enough not to drink and drive? Do yourself one better, and be smart enough not to drink.

BTW, i instantly think lowly of anyone who decides to drink. I have gotten into many fights with my parents about them drinking, and i am instantly ready to leave any party when someone breaks out the booze. I am instantly ready to fight anyone who konws me and tries to force or offer me anything to drink. And anyone who might have been, or was my friend, is not when i hear about or see them drinking, because its moronic, useless, and does you no good.

but gatyr, it makes us feel good with our buzz and crap...

Good, go buy yourself some hookers, get yourself some drugs, find the tequila bottle, jump out of a plane with no parachute, play russian roullette and have some fun, because all of those things make you feel good at one point, and all are just as moronic as the other to me.

i dunno, it doesnt feel like i can get what i feel about people who drinkinto words or onto an internet forum, so i'll just shut up.

I missed that little post - alcohol isn't bad for you?

Here are some US health stats for alcohol use.  Check out the deaths.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/alcohol.htm - http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/alcohol.htm

Gatyr I understand youve had bad experiences with alcohol. And I kno im not about to change your mind. Drinking and driving is stupid, but you still go in cars right, even though people are killed in car crashes all the time when no one was drinking. Also yes alcohol can be very damaging to your body as you know because of your grandpa. But there is a difference between how most people drink and how people that die of liver disease drink. Its just like anything. It needs to be taken into moderation. Too much sitting in front of the computer is bad for you. But obviosuly as long as your not sitting here all the time and do other things it isnt really isnt a problem. Dont get me wrong though I respect your decision not to drink and I understand how hard that must be for I used to take the same stance. I am just saying you may want to try to be a little more open minded especially when it comes to how you treat people who drink.

I also resent the fact that people say I am an alcoholic. First of all can I turn down drinks at partie, yes. Can I go months without drinking, yes. Do I feel a need to drink whenever i see alcohol, no.

im suprised nobody has just gone WOoOO bEEr WHOOoo O DRunK YEAH

that being said

WOOoOO b EEr WhOOOO OO DRUNKy DRink YEA HEa

course i drink most people do, and a whole load of people are good enough to drink and smoke weed but not move onto any harsher than that. of course iv seen friends move up to coke or house hold stuff to snort, but i ussually talk most friends out of such ventures. as for drinking over the summer.....no problem

Most of the posts of people who say they will never drink or are waiting till they are 21 is making me think of a show that my brother showed me a while back. It was a documentary of a group of amish people who had never been into a real city before ( Im not talking about that show on FOX, this was real) more than half of them went on crazy drug and sex binges because it was all so forieghn to them.

I think there are  good things about drinking when your young. I cant do much damage to anyone else or myself and I now know how to control myself, how to deal with other drunks and what my limit is. But without any of the consequences of owning a car or being with a ton of people I dont know. Because the first time I got drunk I was out of control and I just kept drinking and drinking. I hate to think of what all of you are going to do when this happens to you but instead of being at home and 13 like I was youll be 21 and have access to a car.

phantom87 wrote: Uhh....I'm 17 and still kinda drunk.

Hanging out on the tippmann forum while drunk, nice man.  Thats one thing ill never do because its kind of dumb and it  would be obvious and pretty inapropriate especially if someone argued with me or something of the sort.

kwkmrorange wrote: phantom87 wrote: Uhh....I'm 17 and still kinda drunk. Hanging out on the tippmann forum while drunk, nice man.  Thats one thing ill never do because its kind of dumb and it  would be obvious and pretty inapropriate especially if someone argued with me or something of the sort.

Well...I wouldn't call it drunk...I was drunk. I'm still feeling it but its not like I'm bad enough to run my mouth off at some little punk...Its a nice feeling.

Ilovepaintball1 wrote: kwkmrorange wrote: Personally when I drink it is for the purpose of getting drunk. Sounds Pretty stupid to me.

sounds reasonable to me, those who smoke pot do it to get stoned...so why not drink to get drunk? alcohol is disgusting, so its not something to drink cause it tastes good. (my opinion)

and more kids drink underage because its something that they arent supposed to do. most people i know (most) after they turned 21, they pretty much stopped drinking cause they could get it legally.

and i have only tasted, not even had a whole "shot" or glass of any alcoholic beverage. and that was when i was 22, so not everyone tries alcohol before they're 21. so pretty much ive never drank anything. i dont see the point in it. If i wanna have fun....i play music (bass), video games, basketball, or paintball....i can find many other ways to have fun then to get drunk.

For those that say alcohol isnt a drug,,, consider this , it affects the same centers in the brain as do drugs , and triggers the release of endorphins (The High ) just like drugs do . Every drug has its own method of action in the body (Cocaine , Marijuana , alcohol , etc, ) that stimulate ,or depress their own physiological areas as well as differing parts of the brain .

It is pretty obvious to see a relationship between underage posters , and the attitude towards underage drinking for the majority of responses here .

Alcohol is a Fickle Mistress

wtfd00d wrote: I think you people just don't have any friends to drink with, and its completly pointless to drink unless its a social situation.

Thats a little harsh man. I don't think thats the reason at all. And well I must admit I did get drunk by my self once. It was after rugby my whole body was really hurting so I just had a couple shots, and then a couple more and a couple more. It wasnt my intention to get drunk but this was obviously before I knew my limits. That was a good learning experience for me though, because it taught me how easy it is to get drunk when you dont mean to, which is why when I can drive I'll never leave keys on me when I go to parties. Because when your really drunk you always deny it. Actually this may sound weird but when I party at my house I always hide my parents car keys cause if I had them on me while drunk I would most likely go joy riding.

Good points Swat4logan . I didnt want to be the one to crawl up on that soap box , but I been there ,done that ,it aint pretty

Come down to Arizona and get busted with a BAC of .18 or above , do prison time (2.5 to 10 YEARS )and speak with Fellers that never intended to hurt anybody,,,

I play paintball , want to talk about something else ,, PM me.

Gatyr wrote: wtfd00d wrote: Getting stoned means smoking weed.   Yes I drink, about twice a week and I'm 15. Whats the point of drinking if your not gonna get drunk? Mostly at the beach we drink. Your all so prude talking about its bad for you, big deal its not gonna kill you and its fun. tell that to my grandpa, who died because of his liver, or my cousin, who lived 3 days in intensive care because some moron tohught it was fun to drink, then drive. And i know that everyone here who admits to drinking will immidiatly say they are smart enough not to drink and drive. Good for you. Had that 17 year old been thinking the same way, i might still have a cousin, and a friend. yo think you are smart enough not to drink and drive? Do yourself one better, and be smart enough not to drink. BTW, i instantly think lowly of anyone who decides to drink. I have gotten into many fights with my parents about them drinking, and i am instantly ready to leave any party when someone breaks out the booze. I am instantly ready to fight anyone who konws me and tries to force or offer me anything to drink. And anyone who might have been, or was my friend, is not when i hear about or see them drinking, because its moronic, useless, and does you no good. but gatyr, it makes us feel good with our buzz and crap... Good, go buy yourself some hookers, get yourself some drugs, find the tequila bottle, jump out of a plane with no parachute, play russian roullette and have some fun, because all of those things make you feel good at one point, and all are just as moronic as the other to me. i dunno, it doesnt feel like i can get what i feel about people who drinkinto words or onto an internet forum, so i'll just shut up.

good for you  my arent only drink once in a whle like at special occassions and things liuke that also they only have one or two drinks  and never get drunk. I think your right I just saw that post about how drinking can't kill you and was going to respond to it but you did it much better than I could I agree with you. But you shouldn't dislike people who drink but it's good you stay away from people who try to get you to drink.

CHiKUN PiMP wrote: *calmy puffs a blunt* Mother of God....FREEVIBE.COM HAS TAKEN OVER THE TIPPMANN FORUM!!! AAAAAAAH! INVASION OF THE SELF RIGHTEOUS TEEN JACKASS BRIGADE!!! With that said, I'd just like to tell the kid who started this thread that you are a tool. Get a designated driver and shutup about how you've gotten drunk 10 times this summer, big deal. Honestly I'm probably at a kegger every other night. Yeah yeah yeah,"EIS SO BAD 4 U CHEEKUN!!!" I don't care my good sirs. I don't plan on arriving at my grave pampered and clean. but to the chump who started this thread, are you really gonna let these asshats influence you? No! Of Course not! So shutup already! Or you could go the safer route and just smoke pot(and yes, it IS safer than getting drunk).

actually that is true I htink it's less addictive too but what do I know never had a drink (Except when my mom let me have a small sip of her MIke's Hard lemonade) and Never done pot.

Well, I'm 16 and never had a drink yet, nor do I plan to anytime soon.

I understand certain occasions that underage drinking wouldn't be much of a problem, as long as it's in moderation.  I have no problem with that.

For those of you saying getting drunk just for fun, what's the point?  Chances are you are just trying to be rebelious, doing something that you shouldn't be doing (oh no! .)  These are the type of people that I think are somewhat stupid.  I have a friend that occasionally brags "dude, guess what?  I got drunk last weekend when my parents were gone!"  This, to me, sends a message that he's an idiot.  Consumption of alcohol, in my opinion is just a dumb idea.  Those of you saying, "it's been proven that alcohol raises your IQ etc., guess what?  It doesn't hurt me any by being alcohol free.

I know how people at social occasions such as parties drink some to "let them selves go" in a sense, because it's a fact that alcohol causes people to do things they normally wouldn't.  I on the other hand, wouldn't ever try to drink for that reason, now anyway.  I'm happy now with who I am, and I don't need some drug to make me someone else.

I don't discourage someone because of the fact that they drink while underaged, but I don't support them either.

I don't drink, I prefer not to, but I'm not going to preach to everyone here about how they should follow my actions. If this thread, much like alot of other threads has encouraged me of anything, it is to leave this tread for the more mature ones.

I must admit that is one of the reasons I love living in Ottawa. You are now not allowed to smoke anywhere except for outside and in homes. You can't smoke in bars, buisnesses, taxi's, buses' trains anywhere. It is awsome. Because I can go anywhere and not have to put up with cigarette smoke.

CHiKUN PiMP wrote: ...btw, I'm baked out of me Irish ass ahahah...

Hahaha...I wish I was.