Building a computer
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Topic: Building a computer
Posted By: Jeremy578
Subject: Building a computer
Date Posted: 07 August 2004 at 10:05pm
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What do you think of this setup?
-Aspire X-SuperAlien Red Case -ABIT "KV8 Pro" K8T800 Pro -SAPPHIRE ATI RADEON 9800XT Video Card, 256MB/256-bit -AMD Athlon 64 3500+, 1MB L2 Cache -Corsair XMS 1GB(512MBx2) DDR PC-3200 (2-3-3-6 T1) -Western Digital 200GB 7200RPM IDE 8mb cache -Logitech Black Internet Keyboard PS/2 104keys -OEM -ViewSonic G90FB 19" PerfectFlat CRT Monitor -RETAIL -Logitech MX500 Optical Mouse USB/ PS/2 -RETAIL -2 Samsung Black 16X DVD-ROM Drive OEM -HP deskjet 5650 printer -Creative SBS560 5.1 Speakers -JUSTER MP-020 Stereo Headset -Samsung Black 1.44MB 3.5inch Floppy Total is around 2000$ Also have to buy Windows XP, Norton Anti-Virus 2k4, and Symantec Internet Security 2k4 Pro. |
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Posted By: Mehs
Date Posted: 07 August 2004 at 10:08pm
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Hmm, you want a 9800 pro most likely for your video card, about 1 gig of ram at most, 512 at the minimum for gaming, about 2.8 ghz processor, stuff like that. You can decide what kind of mother board you want ect. ------------- [IMG]http://i27.tinypic.com/1538fbc.jpg"> Squeeze Box ☣ |
Posted By: gnarkill
Date Posted: 07 August 2004 at 10:10pm
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dude just get a dell ------------- 
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Posted By: Jeremy578
Date Posted: 07 August 2004 at 10:12pm
Nah, I can save more money, and customize it to how I see it fit. Could you give me good reccomended set ups. |
gnarkill wrote:Posted By: Fallout_soldier
Date Posted: 07 August 2004 at 10:13pm
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^No dell sucks Also by brother bought his gaming computer form http://www.ibuypower.com - www.ibuypower.com He dident get it yet but i ghere they are good. Any one know the chepist way to make a qulity computer? Enos? ------------- 
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Posted By: Jeremy578
Date Posted: 07 August 2004 at 10:17pm
They will most likely tell you http://www.newegg.com - newegg for parts |
Posted By: :ShockeR_ratm:
Date Posted: 07 August 2004 at 10:25pm
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Posted By: AdmiralSenn
Date Posted: 07 August 2004 at 10:25pm
Right, which part of Dell sucks exactly? The part about getting a fairly decent price on a starter system that can be upgraded, the 24/7 tech support (which I hear is finally de-outsourcing itself unlike some companies), or the fact that it's not proprietary sealed-case crap? For someone not willing or able to build a computer, Dell is a pretty good option. Just get refurbished (meaning use your brain, not your wallet) when you buy and you'll be set. ------------- Is God real? You'll find out when you die. 
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Posted By: Mehs
Date Posted: 07 August 2004 at 10:26pm
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Dells suck, just build your own, and newegg is your best bet, or even pricewatch.com. ------------- [IMG]http://i27.tinypic.com/1538fbc.jpg"> Squeeze Box ☣ |
Posted By: PaintballWizard
Date Posted: 07 August 2004 at 10:34pm
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athlon xp mobile 2500+ if you know what your doing although some may say there overated.
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Posted By: Jeremy578
Date Posted: 07 August 2004 at 10:44pm
| So can anyone give me some tips or reccomendations or contact me on AIM(Uzi578) |
Posted By: PlentifulBalls
Date Posted: 07 August 2004 at 10:46pm
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Check my sig for teh 1337ness.
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Posted By: Jeremy578
Date Posted: 07 August 2004 at 10:51pm
hey get on AIM. |
Posted By: MSG.Mobius
Date Posted: 07 August 2004 at 11:09pm
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New Egg is the best, remeber don't buy retail, you'll save tons. OEM is the no box, no game bundle version(the games suck) I recommend AMD and Radeon, they have equal or better products and are WAY cheaper. I think you save about $100 buying a equevelent(sp) AMD to an Intel Anyway this is what I have and I run Doom 3 MAXED out fine(but I leave it at high) right now it's quite a deal(used to be highest end) Video Card (buy a better heatsink or polish the old one) http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=14-102-268&depa=0 - http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=14 -102-268&depa=0 Gpu Cooler 1st ones mine second one is a fancier version that just came out http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=35-116-009&depa=0 - http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=35 -116-009&depa=0 http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=35-116-013&depa=0 - http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=35 -116-013&depa=0 Proccesor http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=19-103-394&depa=0 - http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=19 -103-394&depa=0 A Great Sound Deal http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc.asp?description=29-102-171&DEPA=0 - http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc.asp?description=29 -102-171&DEPA=0 Motherboard - Pretty sure this is what I have http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc.asp?description=13-131-468&DEPA=0 - http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc.asp?description=13 -131-468&DEPA=0 http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc.asp?description=13-127-185&DEPA=1 - RAM Almost what I got, exept from a different company http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-145-440&depa=1 - http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20 -145-440&depa=1 Hard Drive 80GB do you need more? Just delete games when their old, or buy two, their kinda cheap, http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=22-145-049&depa=1 - http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=22 -145-049&depa=1 My case(mines black) http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=11-156-139&depa=1 - http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=11 -156-139&depa=1 Or a Full Tower(really tall, more air, more cooling power) Funky Color http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=11-156-130&depa=1 - http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=11 -156-130&depa=1 My mouse- you can get a different color (Best mouse, from a good company) http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=26-104-150&depa=1 - http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=26 -104-150&depa=1 Best gamepad, kinda cheap http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=26-127-206&depa=1 - http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=26 -127-206&depa=1 I am not sure if your into simulators, if you are PM for more info on joysticks Monitor, better deal than mine, I have a 15' Sylvania it's 1024x724 Max, but that means that you can tell your freinds you play all games at MAX resolution! And they look dam fine at max resolution http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=24-133-131&depa=1 - http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=24 -133-131&depa=1 Speakers 5.1- 5.1 is a must to enjoy games to the fullest. these are a good deal, but you can choose whichever you like- either put the rear speakers on a stand or like me, attatch to the back of your chair. http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=36-116-137&depa=0 - http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=36 -116-137&depa=0 Recommended games for your new rig Painkiller-each level very unique, tons of monsters, kinda like Serios Sam http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=32-140-103&depa=0 - http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=32 -140-103&depa=0 Far Cry - Goes from AMAZING tropical island to a demonic lab http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=32-138-116&depa=0 - http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=32 -138-116&depa=0 Doom 3- Best Game of the past decade dont believe the bad reviews http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=32-138-116&depa=0 - http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=32 -138-116&depa=0 Unreal Tournament 2004 DVD http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=32-129-120&depa=0 - http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=32 -129-120&depa=0 DVD-CD RW In case you don't have one, soon all games gonna be DVD http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=27 -120-150&depa=0 - http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=27 -120-150&depa=0 Power- Almost forgot http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=17-103-908&depa=0 - http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=17 -103-908&depa=0 Sorry for a badly organzied post, hope I helped ------------- 
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Posted By: Jeremy578
Date Posted: 07 August 2004 at 11:38pm
| Ok guys, Im back. message me on AIM because I forgot your names. |
Posted By: customevol
Date Posted: 08 August 2004 at 12:53am
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mobius. . . .the cases u recommended for his come with a power supply. what are u trying to do, make him spend more money and then wonder where his second power supply is supposed to fit in his case ------------- NYX Tri Fade #227 <Removed 570kb avatar. Try under 50kb next time...> |
Posted By: MSG.Mobius
Date Posted: 08 August 2004 at 4:32am
The power supplies that come with those case are Poop. Their $10 value Case with power suuply = $44 Case without power supply = $32 I got mine for $32. BTW Once again I recommended, I didnt force him. Anyone wanna total that up?.
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Posted By: S\/\/4T-L()G4N
Date Posted: 08 August 2004 at 6:29am
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What ever you do, don't skimp out on the RAM or Vid Card. I would say if you can afford it, get the 9800 XT, you won't regret it.
But me...I have a dell. ------------- 
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Posted By: Killgore
Date Posted: 08 August 2004 at 8:07am
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The only real difference between a "gaming computer" and a "work" computer is the video card. At work i use a P4 2.4ghz with on-board video. All i have to do is bring my GeForce4 to the office pop it in and i can play any game. ------------- 
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Posted By: RfUiLreZ
Date Posted: 08 August 2004 at 8:19am
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Mobius, just so you know, you don't run Doom3 Maxed out fine. At all.
The Ultra setting is made for people with 512mb Video Cards. If you have a 9800pro or whatever you told him to get, there is no way you can max out the quality settings, and get good frame rates. No way. |
Posted By: youm0nt
Date Posted: 08 August 2004 at 9:19am
1.dont buy that motherboard. get the http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=13-127-166&depa=0 - abit nf7s v2.0 2.dont buy the thermaltake giant vga cooler. get the http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=35-186-110&depa=0 - arctic cooling silencer v3 3.use the onboard sound on this motherboards.its good 4.dont skimp on the power supply |
Posted By: Super NEWB
Date Posted: 08 August 2004 at 9:19am
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Posted By: Jeremy578
Date Posted: 08 August 2004 at 11:37am
| I heard that the sound isnt the best on the motherboards. |
Posted By: youm0nt
Date Posted: 08 August 2004 at 12:29pm
the abit has nvidia soundstorm audio which is pretty good actually.do a google search |
Posted By: mbro
Date Posted: 08 August 2004 at 6:25pm
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I'd trust youm0nt on this one, I can also testify about the nf7-s, she's good ------------- 
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Posted By: Dark98
Date Posted: 08 August 2004 at 6:36pm
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RaidMax 430watt full tower case
Asus A8V Deluxe main board AMD Athlon 64 3500+ Dual channel Corsair XMS DDR400 PC - 3200 low latency RAM with platinum heat spreaders Western Digital 74gb Raptor 10000rpm hard drive Lite On Combo drive Radeon x800pro On-Board 8 channel audio Logitech Z-5300 5.1 THX Certified Speaker System ViewSonic PerfectFlat p95f+ monitor That's the setup I just bought. $1600. Run's like nothing I've ever seen. Lean, mean, Doom 3 playin machine. |
Posted By: Jeremy578
Date Posted: 08 August 2004 at 6:45pm
Ill look at it. |
Posted By: Jeremy578
Date Posted: 08 August 2004 at 8:18pm
| Does anyone have AIM? If you do IM me. Uzi578 |
Posted By: Shub
Date Posted: 08 August 2004 at 10:38pm
Are you still trying to give computer advice? Why would you put a mobile processor on a desktop? |
Posted By: Sammy
Date Posted: 08 August 2004 at 10:43pm
I started wondering the same thing.. ------------- 
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Posted By: PaintballWizard
Date Posted: 08 August 2004 at 10:53pm
well i dont know people do it why dont you ask them. -------------
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Posted By: Dark98
Date Posted: 08 August 2004 at 11:01pm
Just stop giving advice. |
Posted By: PaintballWizard
Date Posted: 08 August 2004 at 11:18pm
i laugh @ you all. -------------
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Posted By: youm0nt
Date Posted: 09 August 2004 at 8:49am
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actually,you can put the mobile athlon xps(socket 462) in a desktop motherboard.they run at lower voltages and run cooler and many people can overclock them very high.but for the normal computer user,it might be better to get a normal desktop processor.
http://forums.pcper.com/showthread.php?t=300051 - http://forums.pcper.com/showthread.php?t=300051 http://www.techimo.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-109833.html - http://www.techimo.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-109833.html if youre an enthusiast/overclocker this is a good athlon xp processor to get. |
Posted By: Variable
Date Posted: 09 August 2004 at 8:52am
Because XP mobiles come with unlocked multipliers, this allows for a ton of overclocking potential. My vote goes to an A64 system, the Athlon XP line is nearing its end; I wouldn't even bother with it. ------------- 
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Posted By: Jeremy578
Date Posted: 09 August 2004 at 9:42am
| I dont really plan on overclocking so I have no use to buy it. |
Posted By: Jeremy578
Date Posted: 09 August 2004 at 11:01am
| Ok, ive been looking around. Kinda stuck on the motherboard and video card. Looking at other stuff now. |
Posted By: youm0nt
Date Posted: 09 August 2004 at 11:44am
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-ENERMAX Black Server Case, 12- Bay ATX
-ABIT "KV8 Pro" K8T800 Pro -SAPPHIRE ATI RADEON 9800XT Video Card, 256MB/256-bit -Antec 480W Power Supply -AMD Athlon 64 3400+, 1MB L2 Cache, 64-bit Processor - Retail opinions needed on this cpu -Corsair XMS 1GB(512MBx2) DDR PC-3200 (2-3-3-6 T1) -Western Digital 200GB 7200RPM IDE 8mb cache -Logitech Black Internet Keyboard PS/2 104keys -OEM -ViewSonic G90FB 19" PerfectFlat CRT Monitor -RETAIL -Logitech MX500 Optical Mouse USB/ PS/2 -RETAIL -2 Samsung Black 16X DVD-ROM Drive OEM -HP deskjet 5650 printer -Creative SBS560 5.1 Speakers -JUSTER MP-020 Stereo Headset -2 vantec stealth fans 80mm -Samsung Black 1.44MB 3.5inch Floppy $ 1,835.81 excluding shipping/and taxes if any everything above except athlon xp 3200+ retail and abit nf7s v2.0 = $ 1,704.81 EDIT:do any athlon 64 socket motherboards with the K8T800 chipset have dual channel capability?i thought so but i cant find any motherboards that do. 
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Posted By: Jeremy578
Date Posted: 09 August 2004 at 2:21pm
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Posted By: xteam02001
Date Posted: 09 August 2004 at 2:24pm
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sounds good. I don't know about the amd 64 or the dual channel K8 mobos, but i think they do support it. ------------- 
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Posted By: Whazuuup!
Date Posted: 09 August 2004 at 3:18pm
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If you're still looking for resources, check out PC Upgrade magazine. It has lots of reviews and stuff on systems and new components. Very easy to read and understand also. ------------- 
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Posted By: SandMan
Date Posted: 09 August 2004 at 3:47pm
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Dell's are good computers.
I've been building computers since 1990, when I was 15... I can build my own PC anytime I want. But I prefer to buy Dell because my time is more valuable than the paltry savings I can get by building it myself and sacrificing a warranty. (Yes, hardware generally comes with a warranty but it can be difficult to make claims against hardware warranties if they fail over time.) If you're still needing help, here are some sites I have used in the past that offer both good prices and good service: http://www.ibuypower.com http://www.acortech.com ----- Just wanted to comment that it can be a little risky for a newb to build their own PC. It's not too hard to short out your mainboard or make some other mistake that will bit you. Also, configuration can be a pain if you don't know what you're doing. It's gotten easier in recent years than it used to be, but setting up the BIOS and such can still be a little tricky. Just a warning... It's no cakewalk for anyone who hasn't done it several times already. ------------- Real Men Love Cheeses |
Posted By: SandMan
Date Posted: 09 August 2004 at 3:49pm
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Also, when it comes to mainboards and vid cards, I prefer the manufacturer Asus over anyone else. If you get an Athlon, make sure to get an nForce architecture mainboard.
I would also suggest a digital soundcard. I prefer the Turtle Beach Santa Cruz DSP personally. Cheaper than the Audigy line and delivers better sound in most circumstances - at least in my experience. ------------- Real Men Love Cheeses |
Posted By: Jeremy578
Date Posted: 09 August 2004 at 5:14pm
| Do you guys think I should get a sound card? The abi comes with one but I dont know how good it is. |
Posted By: Pate
Date Posted: 09 August 2004 at 5:21pm
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Once you figure out what you want, order it from here the prices are hella cheap. I built a computer, better then mine for about 200 bucks less. I have a upped Dell POS.
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Posted By: Jeremy578
Date Posted: 09 August 2004 at 5:25pm
| I think IM gonna stick with NewEgg. |
Posted By: AdmiralSenn
Date Posted: 09 August 2004 at 5:35pm
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*Applause for SandMan*
Finally someone who doesn't hate Dells, and who will also have their opinion listened to. I just don't understand the hatred for Dells.. they're very well-built machines. ------------- Is God real? You'll find out when you die.
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Posted By: Jeremy578
Date Posted: 09 August 2004 at 5:37pm
Idont really care for dells, I can just save money and customize the comp to how I like it. |
Posted By: Jeremy578
Date Posted: 09 August 2004 at 6:59pm
| Bump |
Posted By: RfUiLreZ
Date Posted: 09 August 2004 at 7:12pm
Well, you can't really customize a computer how you like it, if you don't know anything about the hardware now can you? Anyways, High end OEM computers WILL always out perform an exact same computer, with the same hardware specs. Always. The only thing differing between the 2 computers would obviously be the brand of the components. OEM computers while more expensive, are built to work with each other. Now, the home user will probably not notice the added speed, but for a server, or a network base like in a company, it is noticable. That's why most companies buy servers and whatnot from like IBM, Compaq, and the like. Also, they come with the customer service and all that jazz. Now, being a computer junkie myself, I would prefer to build my own computer. Just because it can be cheaper, and I can get what I need / want out of it. And there's no warrenty to void by opening the case to tinker with it. All in all, If you don't know what you're doing, you're better off getting a *sigh* dell. |
Posted By: Jeremy578
Date Posted: 09 August 2004 at 7:44pm
| Lol, Ill have to pass on the dell. |
Posted By: Shub
Date Posted: 09 August 2004 at 8:14pm
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I'll agree with Rfu on equipment like servers and such especially. When you talk machines with RAID controllers and backup power supplies and stuff, the big brands build great systems. But for a desktop system, I don't care for brand name computer systems.
I do agree with Sandman that to some kid in junior high reading this forum, peer pressure shouldn't talk him into trying to build his own computer. A kid who doesn't know to use plastic risers when mounting the mobo could do a lot of damage to his bank account. |
Posted By: Jeremy578
Date Posted: 09 August 2004 at 8:19pm
| If I get stuck or something, there is a guy that owns some computer shop like 5 doors down the road. Ill just goto to his shop and see what he can do. |
Posted By: Shub
Date Posted: 09 August 2004 at 8:55pm
| It's not a matter of 'getting stuck' It's a matter of shorting something out. When you do that, you can destroy components, then the only fix is to replace anything that was smoking. |
Posted By: Variable
Date Posted: 09 August 2004 at 9:56pm
Due to the nature of the A64's architecture, dual channel memory does not give near the performance increase that there would be with an Intel system. This is why there is only a 5% increase in performance between a socket 754 system and socket 939 system (socket 939 can run dual channel). -------------
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Posted By: Dark98
Date Posted: 09 August 2004 at 10:38pm
| I would go with a 939 socket since it leaves room for CPU upgrades in the future. The other sockets are slowly nearing their end. I have the Athlon 64 3500+ and I love it. |
Posted By: Jeremy578
Date Posted: 10 August 2004 at 11:06am
I think I might have to look into that. The 3500+ is only 50bucks more than the 3400+ so... |
Posted By: Jeremy578
Date Posted: 10 August 2004 at 11:45am
| So are you sayign that the 754cant run duel memory? iF that is true, Ill just buy the 3500+ because it is only 50 dollars more. |
Posted By: SandMan
Date Posted: 10 August 2004 at 1:14pm
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The nice thing about iBuyPower, unlike Dell, is that you can see exactly what hardware their putting into the PC. From case and power supply to mainboard to the brand of RAM they use, you can see and customize every detail. Though most users don't know enough about it to make use of that, it can be handy when you're looking for something specific.
Personally, I'd save the cash and go with a P4 or Athlon XP. It's dumb to buy a 64-bit processor right now. Until they're making software specifically designed to take advantage of them, the benefit will be negligible. And, by that point, they'll be a lot cheaper. So, if that's your goal, you'll save 50% just by waiting until the technology is useful. I'm guessing you're signing up for more trouble than it's worth by deciding you can build your own. But it's your money and time... ------------- Real Men Love Cheeses |
Posted By: roadrage
Date Posted: 10 August 2004 at 1:17pm
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ok if u want a computer never ever ever never ever never buy one all together. i just went to dell and made a computer equal to the one im gunna build and guess wat mine was $800 theres was $2000. ok ne ways go to http://www.pricewatch.com - www.pricewatch.com and get the parts i would suggest getting a motherboard processor and fan combo. |
Posted By: SandMan
Date Posted: 10 August 2004 at 1:24pm
If that's true, then you have no idea what you're doing. I built my last Dell for *less* than I could have built it myself. ------------- Real Men Love Cheeses |
Posted By: Koolit32
Date Posted: 10 August 2004 at 1:29pm
I agree totally, unless your an incredible power user (such as running blender or photoshop REALLY hard)... you won't need a 64-bit or even notice a difference until software for 64 bits become more mainstream. Plus, I'll give a cookie to someone can tell my why 64 bit is better than 32, other than "its more expensive" or "its better" or "the number is twice as big". |
Posted By: SandMan
Date Posted: 10 August 2004 at 1:38pm
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I push PhotoShop to its extremes, 1200DPI and all, and am doing just fine on an old P4 2.53 w/ 512MB RAM. Video editing and 3D modelling may be a different matter, but I know I wouldn't benefit from a 64-bit processor much and I beat my system up pretty good - including games, programming, and heavy graphics work.
As far as WHY the 64-bit processor is better, I'm not sure what answer you're looking for. It's a pretty broad question. ------------- Real Men Love Cheeses |
Posted By: psychopete
Date Posted: 10 August 2004 at 3:13pm
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Just put together a system using the folowing
KT600-a Motherboard 2600xp AMD 512MB ddr400 fx5500 OC 256MB graphics 200GB hard drive Midi Tower case with 450 W power suppy and 3 fans for $600 Still have to get the DVD writer but thats only 140 or so more for a good one. I have not seen anywhere i could get that built up for that price. And it should run anything that comes out for a good while yet. There are definate advantages to building your own system ,If you know what you are doing and you know exactly what you want. Otherwise ask someone who does know what they are doing and learn from them. Thats my advice. ------------- Team Atomic Wedgie There is no Wedgie like an Atomic Wedgie |
Posted By: VisionIMP
Date Posted: 10 August 2004 at 3:20pm
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give this site a try... http://www.amberpcusa.com - http://www.amberpcusa.com You can customize the computer how you want, and they put it together for you and ship it out. Nice deals to. ------------- 
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Posted By: Koolit32
Date Posted: 10 August 2004 at 3:21pm
Yeah it was kind of broad, but I meant how/why does a 64 bit processor make things go faster or more powerful or what have you, when the clock speed is the same and as cooled as a 32 bit? Forget it, it's hard to explain. I wouldn't want you answering it anyhow smartypants :) |
Posted By: SandMan
Date Posted: 10 August 2004 at 3:34pm
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Well, I wrote a hardware training manual in High School as a project for a class called "Tech Prep Writing". In that manual, I explained the difference thus:
Imagine a processor as a highway full of cars doing 55 MPH. Even though the cars on the 16 lane highway and the 32 lane highway are traveling at the same speed, a great deal more cars can travel on the wider highway without creating a traffic jam. It's a rough analogy, but it basically works. ------------- Real Men Love Cheeses |
Posted By: SandMan
Date Posted: 10 August 2004 at 3:43pm
And unless you're going to run a stripped down version of Linux, you're going to need an OS as well... Unless you're going to pirate a copy of something, which nullifies the entire argument. (FYI, unless you ordered it already, I built a package with everything you just listed on Acortech.com and it came out to $580, shipped.) ------------- Real Men Love Cheeses |
Posted By: psychopete
Date Posted: 10 August 2004 at 3:52pm
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It included shipping and i put it together pretty fast.
Had to get some of the components from best buy as i was in a hurry. Had a Monitor and Logitech Cordless duo around already so dont have to buy them as well as a dvd drive. Have windows 98 but i think i would rather get XP for it another $100 worth or so. By the way I like Dells machines and used them for ordering in the office. Very reliable systems. But i had my own ideas of what i want for this system and cant afford it all at once, so i just put the bare bones together and will continue to update it. ------------- Team Atomic Wedgie There is no Wedgie like an Atomic Wedgie |
Posted By: SandMan
Date Posted: 10 August 2004 at 3:54pm
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Yeah, I'm with you. Sounds like you've found some pretty good, low price sources, though. Acortech is the lowest I've ever seen and your source came close to their price. ------------- Real Men Love Cheeses |
Posted By: youm0nt
Date Posted: 10 August 2004 at 4:11pm
maybe architecture,die,any kind of onboard cache,clock cycles,etc 
edit: made a computer for $ 524.08 shipped |
Posted By: roadrage
Date Posted: 10 August 2004 at 4:50pm
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ok y did u get an amd processor i just checked ya there just as good as pentiums but their not as compatible i think and more expensive.
btw on dell if u make a crappy computer ya dell will beat u but if u want a gaming computer or a server computer u wanna make it. |
Posted By: mbro
Date Posted: 10 August 2004 at 5:07pm
You do not know what you are talking about -------------
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Posted By: PaiNTbALLfReNzY
Date Posted: 10 August 2004 at 5:16pm
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Ya, dont skimp on the Motherboard or CPU
get like a 2.8 ghz P4 or a 64bit Athlon processor if you really want to get insane... you can either buy or make your own hydro chilling system and overclock your computer to 800 extra mhz but if you dont know how to do it i wouldnt sugggest it. im building a comp myself, that Dell gaming PC is a complete ripoff. o ya windows XP Pro is hella expensive now it was 300 last time i checked. o ya and get a gig of RAM, its worth it |
Posted By: youm0nt
Date Posted: 10 August 2004 at 6:44pm
you shouldnt have mentioned water cooling. 
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Posted By: Jeremy578
Date Posted: 12 August 2004 at 2:25pm
| Why not buy the 64bit. As you were saying before about software and that such, if you just buy it now, then you wont have to buy it later when the things come out for it. |
Posted By: Variable
Date Posted: 12 August 2004 at 3:41pm
The main advantage of the A64 isn't its 64bit capability, clock for clock the A64 is almost 25% faster than the XP and it seems to have the edge on the P4 in most games. This can do doubt be contributed to its on-die memory controller. -------------
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Posted By: PaintballWizard
Date Posted: 12 August 2004 at 5:39pm
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this is totally off subject but wouldnt a 2500+ athlon xp with 512 cache and 333 fsb be better then a 2600+(266fsb) or 2700+(333fsb) with a 256 cache?
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Posted By: youm0nt
Date Posted: 13 August 2004 at 5:21pm
| i dunno if the 2600+ has the barton core but id get the 2500+ |