My idea for the next generation A-5
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Topic: My idea for the next generation A-5
Posted By: travis75
Subject: My idea for the next generation A-5
Date Posted: 07 August 2004 at 10:24pm
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Imagine an A-5 with one cyclone on each side. the hopper(s) could be just 2 regular a-5 hoppers or one big hopper that splits between the 2 cyclone An internal valve would reciprocate(sp?) between the 2 cyclones, so they only feed one at a time.
Pros: Ultra fast feed (40 bps+) Large ammo capacity (400 to maybe 600)
Cons: Heavy(4-5lbs+) Large profile
Does that sound like a good idea or am I just a stupid loser?
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Posted By: Silent Slayer
Date Posted: 07 August 2004 at 10:36pm
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you wouldnt be gaining much speed since only on is feeding at a time it would be about the same as just having one. good thinking though it would work good with 2 barrels but then it would just be simpler to attach 2 a5s together ------------- a5 polished internals flatline custom aluminum foregrip drop e grip w/custom blade trigger palmer stabalizer 71ci 4500psi dye throttle dye invisions vision impy tapeworm crossfire 88/45 EVO |
Posted By: travis75
Date Posted: 07 August 2004 at 10:40pm
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I always hear that the A-5 is only limited by the speed of the cyclone. Then it will be limited to the cyclic rate of the gun. I dunno, i just thought it would be cool ------------- Hey MPAA, Guess what? 09 f9 11 02 9d 74 e3 5b d8 41 56 c5 63 56 88 c0! |
Posted By: warmonger83
Date Posted: 08 August 2004 at 12:49am
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the a-5 isnt limited by the speed of the cyclone, cause the cyclone can already feed 40+ BPS ------------- GET OUT OF MY HEAD!!!!!!! |
Posted By: sinisterNorth
Date Posted: 08 August 2004 at 9:26am
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^^Yep. ------------- Pumpker'd; (V.) When a pump player runs up and shoots you at point blank range because you thought 20bps made you good. |
warmonger83 wrote:
Posted By: yaafm
Date Posted: 08 August 2004 at 9:56am
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I like the idea, but I would make the Cyclone Feed systems run by battery. That way the gun doesn't use more C02. ------------- A-5 Flatline Lapco Bigshot 12 Inch Tapco T6 Stock |
Posted By: Enos Shenk
Date Posted: 08 August 2004 at 1:19pm
No it cant. ------------- 
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Posted By: travis75
Date Posted: 08 August 2004 at 3:51pm
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Then what can it feed? ------------- Hey MPAA, Guess what? 09 f9 11 02 9d 74 e3 5b d8 41 56 c5 63 56 88 c0! |
Posted By: g-bilt shibby
Date Posted: 08 August 2004 at 3:58pm
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it feeds as fast as you ca pull the trigger
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Posted By: DeathRattle
Date Posted: 08 August 2004 at 4:07pm
| 40 balls a second? I'm not sure there's that big a demand for that. 30 balls a second is already insanely fast and expensive. |
Posted By: travis75
Date Posted: 08 August 2004 at 4:12pm
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40 bps would be cool
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Posted By: FROG MAN
Date Posted: 08 August 2004 at 5:16pm
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ummm the cyclone can only go at 15bps sorry to burst your bubble ------------- <1 meg sig = bad> |
Posted By: The Ho
Date Posted: 08 August 2004 at 6:56pm
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40 bps is insane. the a5 does like 15-24 bps. the idea would be kinda dumb. sorry. good for you for trying though. ------------- I LIKE BIKES! |
Posted By: hashi2008
Date Posted: 08 August 2004 at 9:06pm
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No! A woodsball gun with 2 Flatlines on 2 barrels (side by side), 2 cyclones (one on each side), and one trigger with a R/T turned pu to full blast. BTW: Travis, you have it in reverse. The cyclone is limited by the speed of the gun (up to a point, but you couldn't get there with any gun i have seen). ------------- Founder of the "Forumers Against the Ugly Woman Sigs" also known as FAUWS. |
Posted By: The Ho
Date Posted: 08 August 2004 at 11:17pm
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------------- I LIKE BIKES! |
Posted By: TIPPMANN P8NT
Date Posted: 09 August 2004 at 12:03am
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I love the A-5, but I drought the Cyclone is that fast. let see some prof Anyways It's a good idea man, but It would make the A-5's profile to pig... ------------- "Caution, Lethal in large doses" www.freewebs.com/teamlethaldose |
Posted By: easy123
Date Posted: 09 August 2004 at 12:43am
it dosent, it uses leftover gas that is normally just released form the gun |
Posted By: Enos Shenk
Date Posted: 09 August 2004 at 12:50am
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The cyclone will stop feeding around 20 bps. The problem is the
spring-return operation. Since the cyclone actually feeds when the air
is let off (the spring pushes the plunger back), when the gun is going
too fast, theres not enough time for the cylinder to evacuate the air,
and let the spring return. If you dont believe me, you can prove it yourself. Remove your gripframe, cock the gun, and let it fly. The runaway speed on a tippmann is something like 30-40 bps, and youll notice the cyclone wont spin at all. Thats probably a saving grace for tippmann, can you imagine if the thing did spin in runaway? You would chop the rest of your paint when you run out of air and your gun farts. -------------
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Posted By: pballa123
Date Posted: 09 August 2004 at 12:06pm
| ya, enos is right. the cyclone will stop feeding around 20bps. It'll feed reliable up to about 18 bps. enos, how can you increase the spped of the cyclone while keeping it reliable? |
Posted By: travis75
Date Posted: 09 August 2004 at 5:36pm
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2 cyclones = 35-40 bps feeding speed. Zing! ------------- Hey MPAA, Guess what? 09 f9 11 02 9d 74 e3 5b d8 41 56 c5 63 56 88 c0! |
Posted By: evil_fingers
Date Posted: 09 August 2004 at 7:02pm
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2 Cyclone feeders on a single A5 ------------- Do not steal....the government hates competition! 
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....talk bout overkill and heavy as heck...Posted By: hashi2008
Date Posted: 09 August 2004 at 7:59pm
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With one trigger with an R/T, you could rip about 30 BPS. That is plenty fast. You would never miss. One bad arse gun. I thin Tippmann should make a double barrel marker. ------------- Founder of the "Forumers Against the Ugly Woman Sigs" also known as FAUWS. |
Posted By: evil_fingers
Date Posted: 11 August 2004 at 1:29am
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Tippmann doesnt hafta make a double barrel marker and the closest description to that can be found in http://www.opsgear.com - www.opsgear.com "Double Trouble". ------------- Do not steal....the government hates competition!
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Posted By: DeathRattle
Date Posted: 11 August 2004 at 3:45pm
| Go to the qloader site and watch the demonstration video. The qloader load over 50 bps. I think the guy in the first video is using an Angel, which is 30 bps. You'd have to be a really really bad player to miss your target shooting 30 bps. I don't even think they make submachine guns that shoot more than 30 rps. |
Posted By: TIPPMANN P8NT
Date Posted: 11 August 2004 at 7:33pm
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THANK GOD!!!! Why does it seem like you and I are the only ones that know a spring is what rely loads the A-5, THANK GOD for ppl. like you that relly know what there talking about. YOU ROCK MAN ------------- "Caution, Lethal in large doses" www.freewebs.com/teamlethaldose |
Posted By: BigD
Date Posted: 11 August 2004 at 8:23pm
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It would still feed the same speed because the bolt can only fire as fast as the balls feed. but because they feed one at a time it fires at the same rate as a normal A5. I think. ------------- Tippmann 98 Custom J&J Ceramic 14 in. VL Revolution w/ X-board Rufus Dawg Double Trigger Drop forward Rocket Cock II Vert. Adapter DOP X-Core DYE Sticky Grips Dye Invision |
Posted By: Tolgak
Date Posted: 11 August 2004 at 9:12pm
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I believe it would be slower. It would need some kind of valve to switch between the cyclones on every shot. I think they would have to slow down the firing rate because of it. ------------- 
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Posted By: evil_fingers
Date Posted: 11 August 2004 at 9:35pm
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And as I stated earlier....it would be overkill. ------------- Do not steal....the government hates competition!
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Posted By: drewguere
Date Posted: 30 August 2004 at 8:26pm
| I work at a paintball pro shop, and we have made a non electronic full auto a5 and 98, and the a5 won't spin fast enough, because it is shooting as fast as te bolt can go (48 bps) and the cyclone feed can only go 24 bps TOPS, I'm serious, but you really don't need it any faster. We did it with on of our 98's and we atached an egg2 with a z and it won't feed it, so were getting a halo b with a victory to see if it wil feed it. IM me at drewguere, if you have any questions. |
Posted By: drewguere
Date Posted: 30 August 2004 at 8:30pm
| The cyclone feed des not need to be electric, because it is run off of excess co2, coming when the bolt slides back, so it does not use any more co2 than a 98. and the rt will not go 30 bps, we have measured it at 13 bps. My sn is drewguere, IM me with questions. |
Posted By: DeathFromPaint
Date Posted: 30 August 2004 at 10:56pm
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i have a a5 wit an e grip an can only get bout 18 balls per sec wit a moded chip but if the cyclone feed was electrick (hint hint tippmann) and tied into the egrip u could make a **edited**in fast cycle rate ------------- Tippmann A5 E-Grip 2X Trigger Low Pressure Kit JT Proteus Smoke Mask Woodland Ghillie Suit Next to Come Flatline Drop Forward Macroline 240rd Hopper |
Posted By: GoN_StAlKeR
Date Posted: 31 August 2004 at 12:00am
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It could be made to work ------------- 
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Posted By: travis75
Date Posted: 31 August 2004 at 6:10am
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Think "Clicky pen" ------------- Hey MPAA, Guess what? 09 f9 11 02 9d 74 e3 5b d8 41 56 c5 63 56 88 c0! |
Posted By: warmonger83
Date Posted: 31 August 2004 at 12:03pm
with the advances in solonoid valves, that wouldnt be a problem ------------- GET OUT OF MY HEAD!!!!!!! |
Posted By: FireSoldier007
Date Posted: 31 August 2004 at 6:48pm
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would an gun with 2 barrels and a cyclone feed hooked up to both barrels be faster then one barrel with 2 cyclones? ( i know the gun will be pretty heavy and bulky) each feed/side will give around 20 bps, 20bps x2 = 40 balls bps. both sides will fire at the same time or maybe a few hundreth second in between. and i think that the cyclone should run off batteries like one person said. |
Posted By: sneakysniper7
Date Posted: 31 August 2004 at 9:13pm
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I like the idea except that it would way a ton since the A-5 ways 3 pounds by itself. Plus why would you want 40 bps what a waste of ammo and air and talk about some major bruises. ------------- Paintball is the best sport no matter what anyone says, and if you cheat you get beat. Snipers rule! |
Posted By: evil_fingers
Date Posted: 01 September 2004 at 12:43am
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Like I said before and I'll say it again.....its been done, 2 A5's each wit their own hopper, both A5's also has the Fire Storm Crank and its mounted on a tri-pod, try searchin fer it in http://www.opsgear.com - www.opsgear.com ------------- Do not steal....the government hates competition!
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Posted By: The Guy
Date Posted: 01 September 2004 at 1:26am
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You could probly up the speed a tad by adding a QEV
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Posted By: Ashran
Date Posted: 01 September 2004 at 9:11pm
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You would need something to switch which valve is open, and the ugn
would look uglier, be harder to clean, and be liek holding a wall.
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Posted By: The Guy
Date Posted: 01 September 2004 at 10:29pm
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but like I said, and discussed with Enos this morning; Adding a QEV to
the cyclone piston would crank up the output speed a bit since the air
wouldn;t have to travel all the way down the tubing back into the valve
to vent.
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