Shocker or Autococker?
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Topic: Shocker or Autococker?
Posted By: Covert_Ops
Subject: Shocker or Autococker?
Date Posted: 14 August 2004 at 9:29pm
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Yea I can't decide on what gun to get again, I found this Shocker with vision, I got a chance to shoot and OMFG! and I've shot an Autococker with an E-Blade and OMFG! but I can't decide... Help!? ------------- 
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Posted By: ImpyKing2
Date Posted: 14 August 2004 at 9:34pm
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Nither are that great but if you have to get one of those two I would say the Shocker. ------------- (I'm a nob with no clue about almost anything...) |
Posted By: Lightningbolt
Date Posted: 14 August 2004 at 9:48pm
| ^exactly how many cases have you shot through the shocker and eblade to come to your conclusion? |
Posted By: Covert_Ops
Date Posted: 15 August 2004 at 7:44am
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ImpyKing2 - why do you say that? Would you perfer to use and Impulse or what? Lightningbolt - ive got to use them the whole day i was there
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Posted By: Static-98
Date Posted: 15 August 2004 at 8:02am
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If its only between those 2 guns I'd get the E-blade... But If it was Me, I'd just buy an 03' And Just Build my own cocker. |
Posted By: Covert_Ops
Date Posted: 15 August 2004 at 8:14am
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hey impyking, are impulses really reliable as in accuracy and speed or what? -------------
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Posted By: griffen
Date Posted: 15 August 2004 at 9:14am
| get a shocker there sooo sweet. |
Posted By: Semper Durus
Date Posted: 15 August 2004 at 10:59am
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Shocker ------------- I don't have a sig anymore 
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Posted By: trickedtippmann
Date Posted: 15 August 2004 at 12:06pm
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shocker ------------- Smart Parts shocker dynasty tadao board full freak kit h.e bolt check-it feedneck nd rollerblade trigger halo b w/ v35 and 9v adaptor new inline max-flo with 68/45 |
Posted By: Bunker_Attack
Date Posted: 15 August 2004 at 12:10pm
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Shocker! ------------- 
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Posted By: Static-98
Date Posted: 15 August 2004 at 2:56pm
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Impulses have Too many problems completly Stock... There selenoid sux, there feedneck sux, just about the Whole Gun Sux. A Rat Jr. Will cost around 525$ and with LPR adapter, and a bit more a Rat Jr. Stage 2 will cost around 575$ And for 150$ more you can have the WAS Board installed. ND Inside contains the fallowing: Replace the stock hammer assembly with the New Desingz Hammer assembly, Slick Shaft, and SS Rat Hole hammer. And for the Ultimate Rat You'll Want a Rat Stage 2. w/ WAS Board, ND Inside, and most Any part built for the Rat for 925$ |
Posted By: ImpyKing2
Date Posted: 15 August 2004 at 4:04pm
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Ok I have alot of catching up to do on this thread
Well I guess about two cases to figure out that Autocrappers are a POS. I didn't have to shoot any cases of paint to find out the shocker wasn't that great, all I had to do was look at my teamates.
Why would I say that well lets see here. Cockers are slow mechanical POS. They need tons of upgrades to make them anywhere near as good as high-end electro guns and thier very unreliable. Also if you screw with one little thing the gun will turn into a chopping POS. Shockers aren't much better. They ARE more reliable and easier to clean and maintian but the truth is they are very ineffcient in gas and they still use the poopy SP vision system. Both have thier problems and thats why I wouldn't get either.
Well...lol thats kind of hard to say for me personally. My Impy was very reliable and it was a pretty good gun but in the end it turned into poop. Like the cocker the Impy also needs alot of upgrades to make them good and even after you put tons of money into them thiers still a chance that you'll have problems and theres an even better chance that no matter what you do you won't get rid of FSDO. The Impy stock is ok. Its fast and pretty relaible but as I said before it needs work. Is the Impy worth it, I would say no. I put over $1,000 into my Impy and It still pooped out on me. For all that money I could have gotten a Matrix, DM4 or Angel thats almost perfect stock in every way shape and form. ------------- (I'm a nob with no clue about almost anything...) |
Lightningbolt wrote:Posted By: 2k4kev
Date Posted: 15 August 2004 at 5:42pm
^ just because you chose to put tons of money into your marker, and you dislike the final product dosent mean that all the guns that arn't high end electros are S . All autocockers don't suck, the stock cocker isn't the greatest, but he shot one with an eblade, btw if your going for and ebladed cocker get the e-orracle.------------- 
KH ARMY>you |
Posted By: ImpyKing2
Date Posted: 15 August 2004 at 7:40pm
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Bla Bla learn to read. I said the Impy was ok stock but it needs tons of upgrades. After all those upgrades it still ended up being a POS with a most likely blown solnoid. A good gun shouldn't need over 1,000 in upgrades and even more it shouldn't break down after you add all those upgrades. Maybe you don't know just how bad the Impy is. Besides needing a million upgrades parts fall out and get lost very easily. I can't tell you how I lost dumb things like ball detents because they're junk and they just shot out of my barrel one day. Also the aluminum is trash and I stripped the feedneck threading the first time I took off the feed neck to replace it. The Impy suffers constantly with FSDO and to top it off its as big as the WTC. I've owned both the cocker and the Impy and both are a POS. All Autocockers don't suck now do they...hahah thats funny. Yea I guess after you add 18000 to an already POS it doesn't stink..but then again thats IF the thing doesn't fall apart, blow cup seals, chop paint, leak air out of the poopy three way and just constantly fall apart. Also just because you have a E-blade doesn't mean anything. The cocker is still a POS. I've seen people who had E-Autocrappers almost throw temper tantrum because thier $450 cocker with 1,8000 of upgrades is falling apart. Cockers are by far one of the worst and most overrated gun on the paintball market. Thier even worse them Impys. ------------- (I'm a nob with no clue about almost anything...) |
Posted By: tippmann_kid
Date Posted: 16 August 2004 at 9:39am
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i have owned both and i would say a shocker although u have to lube of the bolt and internals alot and alot of the guys on my team(we all shoot shockers)have had problems with our vision eyes but maybe we got a faulty batch ------------- HK ARMY |
Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 16 August 2004 at 10:07am
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This thread is sufficient evidence, all by itself, that nobody should ever pay any attention to anything that Impyking has to say. Most of you probably recall Impyking defending Impulses against all takers (cockers and ICD guns, most notably) as the parfect gun with no problems. He denied the existence of FSDO, he said his Impulse never broke down and performed flawlessly, and so forth. Now that he is no longer shooting an Impulse he is saying the opposite. The very idea that somebody named "Impyking" would refer to an Impulse as a "POS" should tell you something. Based on available evidence, I conclude that Impyking is firmly in the "whatever I am shooting right now is the kewlest and everything else sux" camp, and should therefore not be taken seriously. Just my theory.
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Posted By: Civilian Of
Date Posted: 16 August 2004 at 10:19am
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Posted By: 2k4kev
Date Posted: 16 August 2004 at 10:51am
^ im with him -------------
KH ARMY>you |
Posted By: Rick_James
Date Posted: 16 August 2004 at 10:53am
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Disregard anything ImpyKing says. No matter what. Oh, and
get the Cocker. |
Posted By: tippmann_kid
Date Posted: 16 August 2004 at 11:49am
 both are great try and shoot both so u get a feel for both guns------------- HK ARMY |
Posted By: ImpyKing2
Date Posted: 16 August 2004 at 1:23pm
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If your smart you'll listen to me and you'll save yourself from a major headache. Also clark I said all that stuff becausee it was true. My Impy did perform flawlesly until the thing just turned bad. Its ok that you guys can't handle the truth and just admit that I know what Im talking about. Since its proven that cockers are junk and shockers are ineficent and have poopy eye systems. What I would say to everyone is not to listen to you clark and Rick because your obvioulsy dumb newbs just to dumb, and ignorant to see the truth. Your so obssesed with telling yourself that cockers are great that you block out the truth. ------------- (I'm a nob with no clue about almost anything...) |
Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 16 August 2004 at 1:29pm
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lol... To argue against Impyking all you have to do is let him post a lot. He makes all my points for me, only better. :)
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Posted By: ImpyKing2
Date Posted: 16 August 2004 at 1:31pm
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hehe and the ignornace only gets worse. If anyone is helping to make a point its you. Everytime you post you show your ignornace and blindness. ------------- (I'm a nob with no clue about almost anything...) |
Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 16 August 2004 at 1:38pm
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:)
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Posted By: ImpyKing2
Date Posted: 16 August 2004 at 1:40pm
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and your point is.................. ------------- (I'm a nob with no clue about almost anything...) |
Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 16 August 2004 at 1:43pm
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.... that you say whatever is convenient at the time, without any particular backing or evidence. That you overstate your position to the point of ludicrousness. That you reduce your own credibility by the sheer number of over-the-top statements you make.
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Posted By: ImpyKing2
Date Posted: 16 August 2004 at 1:46pm
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With out evidence eh..........hahah now thats funny. I always give evidence to back up what I say and I go with what I feel not with what is convient at the time. ------------- (I'm a nob with no clue about almost anything...) |
Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 16 August 2004 at 1:50pm
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In response to that, I simply ask readers to go back and review your previous posts, in this thread and older cocker threads. :)
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Posted By: ImpyKing2
Date Posted: 16 August 2004 at 1:51pm
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No I have better things to do I know what I wrote about the Autocrapper...the truth. ------------- (I'm a nob with no clue about almost anything...) |
Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 16 August 2004 at 1:52pm
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:)
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Posted By: jeep 98 custom
Date Posted: 17 August 2004 at 12:45am
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Go with the Shocker. Less crap to mantain, no annoying back block
hitting you in the goggles, smaller, lighter, less kick, blah blah
blah. The Shocker's just better all round, except for air efficency.
Stock, the efficency just plain sucks. You need to invest about $90 in
a good bolt (SP, Freeflow, Evolve) and then you can get 3/4 of a case
out of a 68/45.
------------- "Yes there are two path you can go back, but in the long run, there's still time to change the road you're on" 
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Posted By: meteora
Date Posted: 17 August 2004 at 1:02am
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get a bladed cocker, youll love it ------------- http://imageshack.us"> 
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Posted By: TRAVELER
Date Posted: 17 August 2004 at 1:21am
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I've got a bag full of paintball guns (A5, wgp cocker, ANS cocker, LaSoya Intimidator, and an Angel 4), I wasn't impressed much with the vert cocker, but it works well enough, however, the ANS is a sweet gun, and is my favorite on the field. In the six months that I have had it I have had no (0) problems with it, not even a chopped ball. It's fast, reasonably light, more accurate than my Angel, and absolutely, completely reliable (unlike a couple of other guns I own). The shocker is a great gun, if I were buying for looks alone it would be my first choice. But it comes down to personal preference, try them both out and see what you like. ------------- For I will wander to and fro, I'll go where I no one do know, |
Posted By: 2k4kev
Date Posted: 17 August 2004 at 8:27am
^ Beaver Tail? -------------
KH ARMY>you |
Posted By: tippmann_kid
Date Posted: 17 August 2004 at 8:36am
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okay here is my shocker setup(basically almost my whole teams setup..except almost all of them have black shockers)
Red 03 vision Shocker talon grip 15 degrees cp rail and on/off asa turbo efficiancy bolt ccm no rise clamping feed neck vert max flo although i am about to put a cp reg on it (i use a 68 3000 on my shocker) well right now since we are all egg techs we use eggs with z-boards ------------- HK ARMY |
Posted By: jeep 98 custom
Date Posted: 17 August 2004 at 12:22pm
Every cocker I've ever used had a Beaver tail. The thing is, the beaver tail is on the bottom of the back block, and when I shoot I have my head just above the gun, with the barrel tilted slighted up to shoot farther, so the top of the back block slams into my goggles. ------------- "Yes there are two path you can go back, but in the long run, there's still time to change the road you're on"
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Posted By: tippmann_kid
Date Posted: 17 August 2004 at 12:35pm
------------- HK ARMY |
Posted By: 2k4cocker
Date Posted: 17 August 2004 at 1:12pm
I see then its not an annoying back block its just the way you shoot. ------------- 2K4 cocker ~ black EVIL PIPE ~ silver tip P.E. 68 cui 3000 psi ~ Black cover ricochet hopper ~ black P.P.S. 3-way ~ black More to come! |
Posted By: Jlofgren
Date Posted: 17 August 2004 at 2:43pm
| i say get the shocker because i have seen the smartparts guns rip and trust me they definetly rip despite impulses (i dont like very much). i dont know what it is with this forum and autocockers but some of you "newer people" may not know that it most likely takes years of experience to know how to correctly tune and take care of autocockers, i say get use to electronic guns....a great "autococker practice gun" is an evil omen. yes i know they suck but once you get the hang of tuning them you can kind of get the feel of an autococker with half the maintance before you actually get the real thing...just a suggestion |
Posted By: Clark Kent
Date Posted: 17 August 2004 at 2:45pm
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Years of experience? Took me an hour to figure out my cocker, and I'm not very smart.
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Posted By: Random_Person
Date Posted: 17 August 2004 at 3:02pm
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if you turtle it, no more back block, therefore it can't hit you in the face. but i say get an E-Cocker ------------- http://profile.xfire.com/kentuckyfriedgangsta"> 
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Posted By: MetallicaESPa5
Date Posted: 17 August 2004 at 8:50pm
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my back block always hits me in the face
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Posted By: Bobeo
Date Posted: 17 August 2004 at 9:15pm
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I ahev concluded that anything ImpyKing says is BS. I am soon getting an 03 Shocker Ultimate Package. It looks wicked awesome. I have seen a vert. cocker in action and it looks awesome too. ------------- Proto Matrix/Crossfire 92/45 Fund- $730/1150 |
Posted By: ImpyKing2
Date Posted: 18 August 2004 at 4:17pm
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Ok don't listen to me but when you come in here crying that you Autocrapper doesn't work Im just going to come in and laugh at you..Shockers are fast and they're good guns but the fact is like Impys they're made of swiss cheese aluminum , they use a poopy eye system that only works half the time and they use a poopy bolt thats not gas efficient at all. ------------- (I'm a nob with no clue about almost anything...) |
Posted By: Ken Majors
Date Posted: 18 August 2004 at 7:27pm
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Welcome to PBNation kids!!!
Oh...and buy the most expensive one....whichever that is...because we all know that the more expensive it is...the better it is. ------------- RLTW |
Posted By: red_alert204
Date Posted: 19 August 2004 at 8:00am
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ha that was funny to read all the fighting ------------- Red Proto Matrix Black Check It Uni Mount |
Posted By: Gatyr
Date Posted: 19 August 2004 at 3:18pm
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Like we did to you when you chose not to listen to all of the knowledge many people spit out at you about your impy? ------------- 
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